Jazz, George Hill taking contract talks down to wire

[♪alt13]

well look at what was done with that lotto pick, first off. Taurean Prince hasn't exactly taken the league by storm.

That trade was to show Hayward that we're gunning for a championship, and that Hill would be a long-term option as PG-insurance in case Exum was falling behind in his development (which he is).

It won't be a waste if he's gone-- the one year rental made Hayward an all-star, maybe an All-NBA player, and therefore potentially capable of having us giving him the mega-max. I'd take that, and a chance at signing him, over drafting Taurean Prince any day.

I've just always laughed at posters thinking us re-signing him was in the bag. If he really is gonna take a massive paycut to be on a winning team, he's going to the Spurs. We will have to match market value, or at *least* outbid the Spurs to keep him (and they have lots of cap space for him).

Even if Hayward makes the all-nba team he won't be eligible as a designated player this offseason. He hasn't been in the league long enough. He would have to play another year at 16 million. He's not going to do that. A fifth year is the only contract advantage that we have.

 

[NAOS]

Sucks these talks broke down, but I had fully accepted the fact that they'd broke down many weeks ago, so sall good.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

and the question becomes, if he's really exploding in value on the market, why not go after Jrue Holiday? Who's younger, a good shooter, a good defender, and versatile at PG or SG just like George? As for health he's been more reliable than George Hill has

He has long term injury issues... hill has just been unlucky.

He'd be a secondary target but with Haywards cap hold I'm not sure we have enough space without renouncing someone... Ingles Hayward.

Here is what I think happened... Hill is switching agents or has considered it according to Locke.. hill went to Utah for best offer maybe under a consulting agreement with an agent... agent may have convinced him he'd get way better.

The way it went down is kind of odd... the way it was worded "he was advised" was a little weird too... prolly reading too much into a tweet but I would think they'd say his agent thinks he can get more... not he was advised.

 

[The Midnight]

well look at what was done with that lotto pick, first off. Taurean Prince hasn't exactly taken the league by storm.

That trade was to show Hayward that we're gunning for a championship, and that Hill would be a long-term option as PG-insurance in case Exum was falling behind in his development (which he is).

It won't be a waste if he's gone-- the one year rental made Hayward an all-star, maybe an All-NBA player, and therefore potentially capable of having us giving him the mega-max. I'd take that, and a chance at signing him, over drafting Taurean Prince any day.

I've just always laughed at posters thinking us re-signing him was in the bag. If he really is gonna take a massive paycut to be on a winning team, he's going to the Spurs. We will have to match market value, or at *least* outbid the Spurs to keep him (and they have lots of cap space for him).

Why do people keep saying Taurean Prince?


That's the guy Atlanta wanted. Had we kept the pick, we would have certainly picked a different player. We could have even traded out of the 2016 draft and into the 2017 draft. (and got another Vet PG in FA instead of Hill)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why do people keep saying Taurean Prince?


That's the guy Atlanta wanted. Had we kept the pick, we would have certainly picked a different player. We could have even traded out of the 2016 draft and into the 2017 draft. (and got another Vet PG in FA instead of Hill)

I think it's too easy to cherry pick someone later even though they weren't considered there. Honestly if the guys actually discussed for the pick that were available the guy I like most now is Skal.

Hernangomez is the guy I'd probably take with hindsight but I wasn't even thinking of him for us at all. It was a worthwhile shot. If we don't have Hill we probably still make the playoffs but we didn't know the bottom of the west would turn to poop.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sucks these talks broke down, but I had fully accepted the fact that they'd broke down many weeks ago, so sall good.

Agreed but I felt like I got teased... not cool.

 

[The Midnight]

I think it's too easy to cherry pick someone later even though they weren't considered there. Honestly if the guys actually discussed for the pick that were available the guy I like most now is Skal.

Hernangomez is the guy I'd probably take with hindsight but I wasn't even thinking of him for us at all. It was a worthwhile shot. If we don't have Hill we probably still make the playoffs but we didn't know the bottom of the west would turn to poop.

I know it's cherry picking. But people keep saying 'Taurean Prince, Taurean Prince'. He's the guy Atlanta pick, not us.

 

[NAOS]

**I guess us bishes can keep pedaling in a forward direction, amiright??**

 

[Stifle Tower]

Well, if Gordon is worth Max money then he should at least be able to take this team to a top seed by his skill set. If he doesn't have the next level ability in him it would be better to try to get the Boston pick to bring in a real star to pair with Gobert.

Lulz. How many titles did MJ win before he had a supporting cast? How about Lebron in his first stint with Cleveland. No ONE player (or even two) can carry a team to a title.

And, mr. brain dead, how would we be getting the Boston pick? Hayward will be an unrestricted FA. Jazz don't get a thing, other than cap space if he leaves.

 

[Deleted member 95]

Stifle, I like you man but your chicken little **** with Hayward for the last few months is grating. Hayward is grown man and his decision to stay isn't going to flip on a dime for every little occurrence. If he was a jazzfanz member I'm about 99% confident he'd be the most rational and stable person here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hopefully we get more information but I think it was Hills decision not ours. I think we pushed most if not all of what we had in the middle and it just wasn't enough.

 

[♪alt13]

Hopefully we get more information but I think it was Hills decision not ours. I think we pushed most if not all of what we had in the middle and it just wasn't enough.

Doubtful. He'd have signed if they had offered all that they could. Why would he engage in talks if he had no interest in what he knew was the max that they could extend him for. The FO probably low balled him.