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Not having Favs on the books would sure open up some things... seems really short sighted. If Mike walks and we don't have Favs then we can open up full MLE.

We can't get off that deal without some kinda asset attached. I think he has a $5M player type value not a $10M player type value.

It really feels like the front office was really not planning on Mike being as good as he was this year and needing to keep him around. Otherwise you leave yourself a little wiggle room. Mike comes back and Favs goes from a $10M backup center into a $30M backup center with the tax. Not sure Ryan is excited about that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
A trade bringing back significantly less salary than what we're trading out.

That Favors contract is killing us.
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****... just posted something about Favs deal.
 
FAILED STATE said:
One way to gloss the failures of the FO is by describing their inability to build a team that relies less on Ingles. They’ve tried that for years, and, when it counts most, it’s been proven time and time again that we rely on him just the same. And I’m speaking of the out-the-court stuff, not the team-culture stuff.

They aren’t trading him.
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I feel like if we traded Joe he'd just retire. We'd never win a Joe Ingles trade.
 
The 2nd we used to trade for Matty *** would help in any number of ways, including but not limited to helping to offload Favors' murderous deal that the Jazz never needed to sign him to.

Anyway, I came on here to ask about the prospect of signing Richaun Holmes with the full MLE. Seems mobile and skilled enough to do better than Gobert in a 5-out defense and that's what killed us. But we can't even dream of something like that with Favors on the books. Maybe we can just dump him on the Kings?
 
NUMBERICA said:
It is just mind-blowing. I will never stop posting about this. When it's 3021 and I'm a head floating in a jar, I'm going to still be screaming about this.
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When you consider there were a lot of options and that you could have at least played hardball a little (one less year... a couple million less this year) and how much it changes the flexibility we'd have its pretty amazing. Using seconds to dump like $8M of Bradley and Davis to then turn around and draft Udoka and follow up by signing Favs was just amazing. The whole idea with drafting Udoka should be that he can play backup minutes almost immediately or certainly by year 2. So make sure you sign a backup to a one year deal... even if that backup sucks. Or go and get two guys at the minimum like Alex Len and Frank Kaminsky that provide you two different styles of play. Or if you are going to roll out all of the MLE go get Jamychal Green and tell Quin he needs to try 5 out if Snyder is the issue. Green is more playable in the playoffs and might slide into multiple different roles depending on stylistic need or injury.

But we praise DL for taking dynamite to a problem that probably only needed a jack hammer. A+ work.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
When you consider there were a lot of options and that you could have at least played hardball a little (one less year... a couple million less this year) and how much it changes the flexibility we'd have its pretty amazing. Using seconds to dump like $8M of Bradley and Davis to then turn around and draft Udoka and follow up by signing Favs was just amazing. The whole idea with drafting Udoka should be that he can play backup minutes almost immediately or certainly by year 2. So make sure you sign a backup to a one year deal... even if that backup sucks. Or go and get two guys at the minimum like Alex Len and Frank Kaminsky that provide you two different styles of play. Or if you are going to roll out all of the MLE go get Jamychal Green and tell Quin he needs to try 5 out if Snyder is the issue. Green is more playable in the playoffs and might slide into multiple different roles depending on stylistic need or injury.

But we praise DL for taking dynamite to a problem that probably only needed a jack hammer. A+ work.
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My biggest complaint is that we always run the same defense with Gobert off the floor and we pay lipservice to the value of a rim protector, but then we spend big on Favors. For all of Favors' strengths, a rim protector is not one of them, but you'll get flamed if you say that as if you're criticizing everything Favors has ever done. You know how much I just wanted to bring in Udoh on a minimum.
 
infection said:
My biggest complaint is that we always run the same defense with Gobert off the floor and we pay lipservice to the value of a rim protector, but then we spend big on Favors. For all of Favors' strengths, a rim protector is not one of them, but you'll get flamed if you say that as if you're criticizing everything Favors has ever done. You know how much I just wanted to bring in Udoh on a minimum.
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Len is also another guy who is a solid drop big because he's huge. Davis and Favs aren't perfect fits for the system. Favs was familiar so I would bring him in for a premium... but 3/30M was too much of a premium.

Udoh was rough on offense but could pass the ball. I'd have taken him at the minimum too... in part because I think you could try some switching with him. If you really believe in Udoka enough to draft him then I think you need to be willing to bring in a minimum stopgap option that either fits or provides some skill you don't have... and if it doesn't work then you rely on Udoka.

Udoka is more just DL scared GM-ing... if a guy has no chance to play you can't say he failed. You can't judge that pick for 2-3 years because the guy won't see the court.

You also have to find your financial edge/inefficiency. We had Don on a rookie deal so that helps A. LOT. If you are allocating a max deal to a center and pg... you need to spread some of the cap resources to the wing. You can't throw the MLE behind that max deal and a first round pick too. Especially when other teams can get a reasonable option on a budget at center. Even splitting the MLE between Bazemore and a backup center would help us avoid the tax and have more roster flexibility. Its pretty amazing to get many big things right but **** up the other stuff that should be easy so spectacularly. I think we need to send DL's white *** back to Houston.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Len is also another guy who is a solid drop big because he's huge. Davis and Favs aren't perfect fits for the system. Favs was familiar so I would bring him in for a premium... but 3/30M was too much of a premium.

Udoh was rough on offense but could pass the ball. I'd have taken him at the minimum too... in part because I think you could try some switching with him. If you really believe in Udoka enough to draft him then I think you need to be willing to bring in a minimum stopgap option that either fits or provides some skill you don't have... and if it doesn't work then you rely on Udoka.

Udoka is more just DL scared GM-ing... if a guy has no chance to play you can't say he failed. You can't judge that pick for 2-3 years because the guy won't see the court.

You also have to find your financial edge/inefficiency. We had Don on a rookie deal so that helps A. LOT. If you are allocating a max deal to a center and pg... you need to spread some of the cap resources to the wing. You can't throw the MLE behind that max deal and a first round pick too. Especially when other teams can get a reasonable option on a budget at center. Even splitting the MLE between Bazemore and a backup center would help us avoid the tax and have more roster flexibility. Its pretty amazing to get many big things right but **** up the other stuff that should be easy so spectacularly. I think we need to send DL's white *** back to Houston.
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We are notorious for ignoring the wing especially in regards to defense:

Stock and Malone days - we knew we would play Jordan and Pippen and we only had Hornacek, Russell and young Anderson

Deron and Booz days - we knew we would play Kobe and other strong wings and we only had Brewer, AK out of position and young CJ Miles

Don and Rudy days - we knew we would play LeBron, Kawhi and other strong wings, and we only had Royce and Ingles

When will we learn?
 
LoPo said:
We are notorious for ignoring the wing especially in regards to defense:

Stock and Malone days - we knew we would play Jordan and Pippen and we only had Hornacek, Russell and young Anderson

Deron and Booz days - we knew we would play Kobe and other strong wings and we only had Brewer, AK out of position and young CJ Miles

Don and Rudy days - we knew we would play LeBron, Kawhi and other strong wings, and we only had Royce and Ingles

When will we learn?
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When in doubt draft a wing... sign a wing... trade for a wing... You can play 3x-4x as many wings as you can centers.
 
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