Jazz Play The Magic: A Gamethread 7pm Mountain TIme

[candrew]

I think it's well established Joe has a bit of a sardonic edge to him - I wouldn't take his comments about "eating popcorn and little date nights" too personally.

And he shouldn't take booing so personally.

Seriously - everyone lighten the **** up.....

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You sound like a baby if that part bothered you.

Nah... it was a little condescending. I don't think any less of Joe and he's right.. fans shouldn't boo... it's not a good look.

 

[Watcher]

Note: I loved that Rodney Hood got booed last year because he was poison on and off the court.

Speaking of Hood, he's missing games with yet another injury. I feel bad for the guy but we did the right thing getting rid of him.

 

[idiot]

Here's why I don't like booing:

Booing is powerful because it is generally regarded as a rather direct moral judgment -- as an assessment on a person's effort, intentions, character, and ultimately value. (Booing the other team is somewhat tolerated in the spirit of competition). We almost always make a mistake when we judge other people morally because we cannot truly know anything about their effort, intentions, and character (especially when the only standard we have to judge is how they're doing in comparison to some of the few other hundred people in the world who are the best same task).

I find it telling how the message from both Quin and the players yesterday was how proud he was of them, and how little yelling or screaming there was in the locker room at halftime. I take it that's because Quin knows much better than any fan what the players' level of effort, intention, and character are.

I will admit to finding it a bit ironic that our biggest trash talker was the one who seemed to worry most about the booing. But maybe that's because he figures that booing is like trash talking: it's fine to do against the other team in the spirit of competition, but you'd never do it to your teammates in the middle of a game.

 

[infection]

I will admit to finding it a bit ironic that our biggest trash talker was the one who seemed to worry most about the booing. But maybe that's because he figures that booing is like trash talking: it's fine to do against the other team in the spirit of competition, but you'd never do it to your teammates in the middle of a game.

I don't know that we can make that assessment. It may have simply been that our biggest trash talker was the one who was asked about the booing, which puts a different perspective on it.

With regard to Quin not yelling at players:

 

[infection]

I don't know that we can make that assessment. It may have simply been that our biggest trash talker was the one who was asked about the booing, which puts a different perspective on it.

With regard to Quin not yelling at players:

The shot at 3:16 is for sure a whistle these days.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here's why I don't like booing:

Booing is powerful because it is generally regarded as a rather direct moral judgment -- as an assessment on a person's effort, intentions, character, and ultimately value. (Booing the other team is somewhat tolerated in the spirit of competition). We almost always make a mistake when we judge other people morally because we cannot truly know anything about their effort, intentions, and character (especially when the only standard we have to judge is how they're doing in comparison to some of the few other hundred people in the world who are the best same task).

I find it telling how the message from both Quin and the players yesterday was how proud he was of them, and how little yelling or screaming there was in the locker room at halftime. I take it that's because Quin knows much better than any fan what the players' level of effort, intention, and character are.

I will admit to finding it a bit ironic that our biggest trash talker was the one who seemed to worry most about the booing. But maybe that's because he figures that booing is like trash talking: it's fine to do against the other team in the spirit of competition, but you'd never do it to your teammates in the middle of a game.

I agree with this.

I think negative motivation is helpful to get guys going sometimes... but not from home fans. There have been times in competitive environments were opposing team players or hecklers talked smack to me and I love it... gets me fired up. We saw it from DM in Detroit.

Now if I looked in the stands and my friends, family, teammates or other supporters were booing I'd be pissed.

They were trying yesterday... shots weren't going in... was compounded by the other team making shots at a level they don't normally make.

 

[fishonjazz]

Neto will have a 12 year jazz career and stay in the organization forever... everyone loves that dude.

He wasn’t great last night but I think he will bounce back... can never question his effort that’s for sure.

And even though he wasn't great he still had a positive impact on the game. I remember the floater bucket and then steal and fast break finish with Nikola all over him at a very crucial part of the game.
He was a plus 22 in his 31 minutes. Highest on the entire team.

He played quite good defense despite having some very bad calls against him (there was one that should have been a charge on DJ). Him getting into that ruckus on the floor might have even caused a spark in aggression and emotion for the team.

Tbh, I think I might prefer him over Rubio and X.

He is shooting 51% from the field, 33% from 3 (his 0-5 last night brought that down a fair bet I'm guessing), and 93% from the free throw line. I know the sample size is small and often against backups in garbage time yada yada yada but I think all three of those shooting% are better than X or Rubio.

I'm kinda excited to see what he can do while those other guys are injured.

Would be hilarious if the jazz went undefeated with neto as our only point guard and he played great and ended up taking the starting job when everyone is healthy.

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[fishonjazz]

I dont see how it did. The boos came in the 2nd quarter, and their play did not improve in the 2nd quarter.

They improved when they went in to locker-room and made adjustments.

Ya but they probably discussed the booing in the locker room at halftime and decided that they would give it their all for the fans in the second half to turn those boos into cheers

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[Handlogten's Heros]

And even though he wasn't great he still had a positive impact on the game. I remember the floater bucket and then steal and fast break finish with Nikola all over him at a very crucial part of the game.
He was a plus 22 in his 31 minutes. Highest on the entire team.

He played quite good defense despite having some very bad calls against him (there was one that should have been a charge on DJ). Him getting into that ruckus on the floor might have even caused a spark in aggression and emotion for the team.

Tbh, I think I might prefer him over Rubio and X.

He is shooting 51% from the field, 33% from 3 (his 0-5 last night brought that down a fair bet I'm guessing), and 93% from the free throw line. I know the sample size is small and often against backups in garbage time yada yada yada but I think all three of those shooting% are better than X or Rubio.

I'm kinda excited to see what he can do while those other guys are injured.

Would be hilarious if the jazz went undefeated with neto as our only point guard and he played great and ended up taking the starting job when everyone is healthy.

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He plays good defense from a fundamental stand point and plays/trys so hard... but guys just shoot like he's not there. I'm fine with him... if he hits a couple threes last night I'd have been really happy with his game... he's normally better than that. His floater... short midrange adds something the other guys haven't given us.

 

[idiot]

I don't know that we can make that assessment. It may have simply been that our biggest trash talker was the one who was asked about the booing, which puts a different perspective on it.

With regard to Quin not yelling at players:

Yes, you might be right that he was the only one asked about it. Good point.

I know Quin can and does yell. But the point is that he (presumably) has a better handle on when those kind of actions are both warranted and likely to be effective.

 

[idiot]

PS -- I think we overdo the "wake-up!" yell from Quin a couple of years ago. I'm not saying it's a totally one-time thing. But it's certainly not what we've seen as his dominant in-game persona, even in blowout losses.