Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

[NUMBERICA]

What are you even talking about? A swing for the fence guy can be dead money just as much as a playoff starter (the former more likely when you're picking late).

"Safe" picks aren't always fun or project as franchise-altering but they have legitimate value.

A player who can provide gravity and scoring in a bench role immediately (important because helps DURING rookie deal) has value.

I can't believe I'm defending Allen, I'm conflicted and yes there are concerns. But I think there's some serious overreaction. I mean we were picking at #21....

I would like a "safe" pick that fills any kind of need. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

3pt stats

38% over large sample and high volume

Im down with that

 

[stitches]

Y’all finally comin’ ‘round.

As stated 4,000x in Niko thread, when the illustrious mystery of the pick converts to the reality of who that player becomes, we then will value that player much less than the initial pick that landed them.

I think it shows more about what people think of the pick than what we thought of the trade at the time and now.

 

[Jazz4ever]

And?

He got better? He knows how to play in a team setting with less touches? You belong on an amateur board - you can't think beyond box score stats.

 

[infection]

I think it shows more about what people think of the pick than what we thought of the trade at the time and now.

So what you’re saying is a little bit of foresight goes a long way?

 

[NUMBERICA]

And context matters.

Non-sequitur.

He hasn't substantially improved in 3 years. He hasn't become substantially more efficient. He's still a poor defender.

 

[Jingled]

Damn, so the Suns got Ayton, Bridges and Okobo. What a draft for them!

 

[NUMBERICA]

He got better? He knows how to play in a team setting with less touches? You belong on an amateur board - you can't think beyond box score stats.

I'm one of the loudest proponents of defense and defensive players on the board, but you're right, I only care about the box score (defense is hard to measure in the box score if that needed any clarification).

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I don't see how he'll ever play more than 20 MPG here or any contender for that matter. He's known as a poor defender, he's not a PG, he's not a switchable defender. He's a hustler that will hopefully make the right plays most of the time, mostly against bench players.

You’re probable scenario sounds pretty good tbh. It’s the 21st pick, not a top 10. Anyone who can contribute in that range is good. Our bench could use some oomph.

 

[MDAV28]

Doesn't fit my narrative.

He hasn't substantially improved in 3 years. He hasn't become substantially more efficient. He's still a poor defender.

Fixed it for you.

Every prospect has flaws especially at this point. I'd love a better defending version of Allen but we also wouldn't have been able to pick that player.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Anyone else notice we drafted Ted Cruz's secret lovechild?

 

[stitches]

So what you’re saying is a little bit of foresight goes a long way?

I mean... if you have good enough foresight to predict 30-8 finish of the season... and then that we will pick a 23 year old undersized 2 guard with defensive issues and streaky shot... I liked this draft a lot. We just happened to draft a player I had ranked a full round later than where we got him.