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Jazz still not watching film together

I heard that Sloan wanted to watch game film as a team but found that someone had taken the TV out of the team room and replaced it with an empty black picture frame. When Corbin explained to Jerry that it was the new TV, called a flat panel, Jerry wouldn't believe him because there was no VCR attached. Finally Jerry said" forget it, let them watch thier own film"!

On a serious note, Locke said that jazz staff hand out copies of every game on DVD for players to watch on their laptops.
 
There's only so much time a coach or staff can spend with the team, I know I've read Sloan has short but very intense practices however so I'm not totally sure what to think of the situation. If I HAD to guess I would say Sloan knows they're provided all the film and expects them to watch it on their own for the most part and probably does only a little team film study and expects his team leader(s) to figure out and keep the weakest link(s) up to par so if that means team study then they can set that up (like DWill did with Big Al).
Again, handing players DVDs for individual study and going over film as a team (or one-on-on) are different things. Ideally, both occur, and the latter hasn't been occurring. Even if the players watched the video with great focus, it's reasonable to think that the coaches would provide some insight that a millionaire twentysomething pro basketball player who hasn't graduated from college might overlook. Phil Jackson surely thought so.

Also he may expect the players to come to him personally (this has been brought up in the past) if they have any problems or questions or changes.
LOL. Leaders and managers (including coaches) shouldn't use "well, my people didn't tell me that we should be doing this" as an excuse for not doing something.

And maybe Jerry has said that players can approach him, but ask Kirilenko how easy it is to approach Coach. Better yet, ask Amaechi (whom Sloan called a discriminatory slur) or Fesenko (who was benched for no reason, even after showing signs of promise) or even Deron (who, by the cryptic responses in yesterday morning's interview, evidently did talk to somebody about it, and didn't get a favorable response).

It's not the responsibility of players to initiate changes in strategy. That's the leaders' job. If the underlings suggest something, great. Optimization should be a constant focus of leaders, including a coaching staff. I don't see it here.
 
...what good is handing a player a dvd of the game and telling him to watch it and improve? Has it occurred to SLoan and the coaching staff that maybe these clowns don't know what they are doing wrong or how to correct it? Things need to be pointed out and HOW to correct the problem needs to be addressed! Allen Iverson doesn't know he forcing a shot just by looking at the film! He probably thinks it was a decent shot! "I beez made them before.....I can make that shot again, coach!"
 
So it's just as good or better for a team watching film and going over strategy/theory to not have the head coach present?
 
I have no idea if watching game film is vital to a team's improvements - all I know is that I learn much more by doing than by watching. It seems to me that spending practice time playing and receiving hands-on instruction is likely to be more beneficial than watching film. Many of the previous comments make it sound like Sloan isn't spending any time teaching the team and especially the new players. I'll bet they learn much more by running plays than by watching plays. Watching film may provide some benefit, but probably not more than other types of instruction. Just my opinion.
 
I have no idea if watching game film is vital to a team's improvements - all I know is that I learn much more by doing than by watching. It seems to me that spending practice time playing and receiving hands-on instruction is likely to be more beneficial than watching film. Many of the previous comments make it sound like Sloan isn't spending any time teaching the team and especially the new players. I'll bet they learn much more by running plays than by watching plays. Watching film may provide some benefit, but probably not more than other types of instruction. Just my opinion.

You need both.

You cant tell what you've been doing wrong until you see yourself do it.
 
I think the film sesh really helped. Deron agrees.

New perspective after Friday's practice:

Yeah. Yesterday was good. We worked a lot on our offense, going through that. We looked at some film, which definitely helps. It always helps to see yourself on film, I think. See the mistakes you're making individually. Guys can watch and see what they're doing and where they're making mistakes at and see it, because film does a lot. It's there.

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogs/jazznotes/50572569-62/lot-situation-definitely-film.html.csp
 
According to your blog, you are a teacher, so I'd be surprised that you'd argue that independent study in whatever form is better assistance by a teacher, with or without independent study.

As a teacher, I can tell you that one of keys to success is when a student works on the assignments outside class and comesp repared with questions. If I do every problem on the chalkboard, 80% of the class will be bored at any time. If I allow students to bring up what they struggled with (much like an NBA player might ask a coach where he should have gone on a certain play, or how he got beaten on defense), the class time is much more effective. Most of the time, having the team watch Jefferson do this or Williams do that in a film session means 8-10 players gain little benefit from what is on thescreen at any given moment.

There might be NBA limits to how much time coaches can spend with players practicing or training. My argument is that whatever time constraint there is, it might be good--at least temporarily--to reallocate some of that time toward watching film.

The best teachers respond to the way students need to learn, and if Williams learns best by watching some film, then I agree filling in some down time in practice with film, a few minutes at a time, is helpful. I think Friday, right after a back-to-back when practice was going to be light anyhow, was probably the right time. When the team has been playing well, Sloan has been known to give a day off instead.

In other words, it's feasible for a coach to lead a film discussion. Let one or more of the assistant coaches do it, Jerry, if you prefer. Just don't put it all on the players. Most of them didn't even graduate from college, so they are not necessarily students of anything.

If they are going to be professional baskeball players, they need to be students of the game.

Phil Jackson is a master strategist. It's no wonder his teams always do well. For example, when the opposing team scores 2-3 baskets in a row, PJ automatically calls a timeout.

Even in the limted number of games I watch, I know that's not true. Jackson will call a timeout if the team is not executing the game plan and things are going badly (as does Sloan), but he will sometimes just sit on the bench and let the players respond when the other team starts a run.

So let me ask the apologists a few things. Did basketball become an individual sport?

No.

Are players supposed to intrinsically know how to best implement team strategy or how others are supposed to or likely react on a play?

My guess would be that this goal is best served by actually running plays in practice, not by watching them.

Is spending 15 minutes on team film session really that costly to other parts of practice?

Is it really that beneficial? More specifically, is it really more beneficial than running plays?

...please tell me your joking?!!! These guys make $100.000 plus PER GAME....

Most players make well under that amount.

and they have practice restrictions mandated by the Union?

Yes.

And some of these restrictions involve limiting the time they can spend watching game film?

No.

Things need to be pointed out and HOW to correct the problem needs to be addressed!

What makes you think this isn't on the DVDs handed out to the team already?

So it's just as good or better for a team watching film and going over strategy/theory to not have the head coach present?

It's better than not going over film at all. Although, I would say the disagreement is over whether it is better to runs the plays or watch film.
 
Most people consider Bobby Knight to be a purty good coach, and ya aint never gunna catch his *** watchin no game film, eh?:

"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy" (Bobby Knight)

Course that aint to say he is 100% against usin film for educational purposes, er nuthin:

"I told him to take a picture of his ********* so he'd have something to remember them by if he ever took another shot like the last one." (Bobby Knight)

Foiled by the lame-*** filter, yet again, eh? How about gonads, that work?
 
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"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy" (Bobby Knight)



"I told him to take a picture of his ********* so he'd have something to remember them by if he ever took another shot like the last one." (Bobby Knight)

...CLASSICS! Absolute CLASSICS! Can't believe I didn't find those before my main man hopper posted them! Where did you get those bad boys from, anyway???
 
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