Jazz trade Fonteccio to Pistons for 2024 2nd

[Handlogten's Heros]

Simone's value was spacing and defense. We have plenty of shooters, so that doesn't bother me. What this hinges on is either Hendricks finding his groove at the 4 enough for Lauri to work as a SF, or we have another deal. But I wouldn't overstate Simone's value on defense.

We aren't a good shooting team. We needed to add not subtract shooters.

 

[fishonjazz]

At least we won last night against a great team with simone scoring a total of 2 points on 1-4 shooting.
Thats a good sign.

 

[HermanG]

You said he has a -1 RPM, which is well above replacement level. The Jazz did not get a player back, this clearly suggest will get worse to some degree. You listed his defensive rating, which is the team defensive rating when he is on the floor. It is lower than the Jazz overall defensive rating, indicating that the Jazz are better with Simone on the floor defensively. Once again suggesting that we will be worse off. If you want to make the point that the Jazz are not worse off, I would not cite stats that imply that they are worse off without him.

Again, this doesn't really mean much to the point I was making. It was about what the Jazz think about Simone, not you or I. When a team in a playoff race trades their starting SF for picks, chances are they are not trying hard to win that race. That is the point. Just thought it was funny you posted evidence yourself.

Is the DL over?

Besides if this turns out to be the only trade we make its FAR FAR less tanky than the LA trade.

 

[fishonjazz]

He didn't need 35mpg.

But he was the real 3&D guy in this team, not Ochai (who keeps getting called that despite sucking on both sides of the ball lately).

When did i say what he needed or anything about ochai. I said I liked simone so much I had been begging for him to get way more minutes for months now.
Weird response to what I posted.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Simone has been in the closing lineup in all of 11 games this year, shooting 25/22/0 in clutch minutes.

I hate arguing this though as I did like the guy.... but go find a paper bag.

IDK where you found the closing lineup stat. He has played in 11 clutch games (team high is Lauri at 16) which would suggest the number is *at least* 11, not 11.

 

[Udidthizz]

I turn my back for a bit and Tec is gone and we’re 20 pages into a thread.

Initial reaction was that a 2nd seems a little light, but on reflection it’s like 3 draft spots worse than a Boston 1st and then people would have said ‘wow, we got a 1st for him’. Still, probably would have preferred to keep him. The real kick in the balls is having to take Knox.

 

[KqWIN]

Is the DL over?

Besides if this turns out to be the only trade we make its FAR FAR less tanky than the LA trade.

I’ve said over and over that if the pick gets rerouted it’s a different situation. Obviously it would. But if not, it’s a pretty clear as day signal that the Jazz FO is not prioritizing the playoffs this year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also @HermanG

Simone was 4th in total clutch minutes for the Jazz and was a team high +36 in the clutch.....

 

[Tremendous Upside]

One thing with Simone that I think changes his value is how much you really believe in his defense. His numbers are decent this year, but I'm not sure I'm totally bought in that he is a good defender. I think he might try hard, so in general he looks ok, but I wonder if he could get exposed if targeted in a playoff series.

I guess anything's possible, but Simone was a rarity on this roster – I don't remember him ever being hunted on D. Lauri, Dunn, Sexton, Clarkson, Ochai, Kessler, Collins, Kelly... they've all gotten targeted and all have gotten abused.

 

[TheStormofWar]

We aren't a good shooting team. We needed to add not subtract shooters.

We're about middle of the road for both fg% and 3p% and Simone was about 6th on the team for 3p%. MOAR shooting is always good, but we aren't exactly deficient there either.

 

[Pintz11]

Tecc is getting atleast 10 mil per next season. A lot of folks want to see TH play when was that going to happen. While I will miss tecc, something tells me TH is ready to step in especially defensively and can shot the 3 just as well. Thing is the chemistry

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Tecc is getting atleast 10 mil per next season. A lot of folks want to see TH play when was that going to happen. While I will miss tecc, something tells me TH is ready to step in especially defensively and can shot the 3 just as well. Thing is the chemistry

Yall will say anything if it makes you feel good.