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And just to be fair and accurate, the one thing Hayward brings to the table to the Jazz is BALL-HANDLING. No one can convince me that running plays through AK with any sort of regularity is a good idea since his idea of creating is a kamikaze into the lane, dribbling out of control, with arms flailing. AK is a superb passer, but more in the vein of Brewer where they're an angle in the passing game, not an actual starting point of a play.

You finally realized it? This was indeed the reason Hayward was taken over Luke Babbitt, George, and Henry. He has a good enough handle to be the backup PG imo, something the Jazz waste countless effort and money on every year. Its the same reason Evan Turner was drafted so high despite his alligator arms and average athleticism, he has PG skills.
 
You have something better to discuss?

I wish, but unfortunately only rumors are the only other thing out there to discuss, and we all know that Rumors and the Jazz usually mean nothing, so at this time of year we get Draft Pick #1 and Draft Pick #2.

Truthfully I was making fun of whomever keeps posting Honzward Thread #*** of ***. I thought it was kind of funny.
 
fair criticisms, but in any case i think you're overlooking the big picture to focus on the minutia. yes, 5" difference in leaping ability is marginally substantial, but as someone else pointed out, vertical jumping does not equal athleticism. in a general sense, hayward is an average athlete, which is why all of the sites i looked at when making the comparison called him out for that. they specifically referenced his footspeed, lateral quickness, and ability to get to the rim against NBA defenders -- all things that morrison was questioned on before his draft.

obviously he has the potential to be better ... but so did morrison. my point here -- again, backing away from the nitty gritty and looking at the big picture -- is that both guys got their points in college by being "crafty", and it's a lot harder to rely on that when you work in a league with the world's best athletes.

and, lest my points be misunderstood, this is not about being white. there are black guys who are slight of build, have tweener height, and are average athletes who have also struggled to translate their abilities to the pro game. no matter who you are, it's tough to go from being head-and-shoulders above your peers to being surrounded by people who are as good as you. it's just easier to make that transition when you have some outstanding strenghts you can rely on. for some guys that's athleticism, for others it's shooting, etc. i don't know what gordon's one thing is that's going to ensure his success, and that's what i worry about. but, like i said on the blog, i'll be thrilled if i'm wrong.
 
You finally realized it? This was indeed the reason Hayward was taken over Luke Babbitt, George, and Henry. He has a good enough handle to be the backup PG imo, something the Jazz waste countless effort and money on every year. Its the same reason Evan Turner was drafted so high despite his alligator arms and average athleticism, he has PG skills.

Hey man, I already knew. And I said one thing, because absolutely nothing else jumps off the page to me about him. Except that he wins at much more inferior levels of competition. Everyone brings something to the table, whether it's good enough to play or not.

And in Evans defense, his arms were at least longer than his height, his lateral footspeed times are good and he's been reknown and projected as a lockdown defender at the NBA level since he landed on the NBA radar. Maybe their offense is comparable in the NBA, but their defense won't and unless you're an incredible scorer, you simply HAVE to play D to be a winning role player (Fisher, Horry, Bowen, guys like that). I don't see Hayward as being strong (LeBron, Maggette, Pierce) or agile (LeBron, Durant, Gay) enough to be that kind of scorer in the NBA (and for a SF, you HAVE to have one of those qualities to be a scorer).
 
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I would certainly rather have Xavier Henry and I'd feel better about Paul George right now (I know he's inconsistent and his percentages as a whole were poor, but he has shown immense scoring ability to go along with a very nice physical profile for offense or defense [whether those turn into anything or not]). I am not exaggerating when I said "anyone but Hayward".

I'm dying to be proven wrong, but I just don't see Hayward in any scenario being anything other than a liability on defense. Especially if he ever has a significant knee injury. I see Hayward as a Korver-esque defender (savvy but just doesn't have the tools to handle isos or speed from an opponent in general).

I would've picked the **** out of Cole Aldrich. The idiots that whined about him just because he was white and bared some resemblance to Ostertag are going to feel retarded when this kid registers 3 BPG against the Jazz over the span of his career.

His being white is only something that multiplies what are between pedestrian (his vertical) and terrible (lateral footspeed, wingspan) physical attributes. White wings don't have a great tradition over the last 10 years (with Mike Miller and Dunleavy being the only white american wings to do anything more than shoot and flop). Babbitt not having won at Nevada would've been a concern, but his physical attributes were elite and I think you can teach someone to win easier than you can teach length, innate strength, or innate speed/dexterity.

I would've picked Babbitt over Hayward 9 times out of 10. I would've picked Aldrich over Hayward 1,000 times out of 1,000.



Love this ****.
 
Just proof that people should just keep their mouths shut when they know crap about basketball lol


NUMBERICA is among the most knowledged.

Just goes to show how difficult drafting is.
 
As of late, many of you have been bringing the lulz. I know I crack a lot on this board, it's posters and the Jazz in general. But there's a reason I stick around. It's a comedic goldmine. Alligator arms? Sigh.

The small person has got to have alligator arms, no?
 
NUMBERICA is among the most knowledged.

Just goes to show how difficult drafting is.

But being so sure of himself and having it backfire so hard isn't just draft knowledge. It even said earlier in the thread that Aldrich was 6'9" without shoes. How would anyone want to have or consider having someone be a defensive stopper in the middle at that size. I know Ben Wallace wasn't much bigger, but he was a freak athlete, nothing that Cole brought to the table. He even said that he would rather have Cole over Paul George. I don't follow college as well as NBA but really? Cole Aldrich over Paul George? Hindsight is 20/20 but the body that George had coming out of college was much better as far as playing position that you could see him being a decent starting SF just with his physical tools. IDK if I would put all of my eggs into a 6'9"-6'10" C.
 
NUMBERICA is among the most knowledged.

Just goes to show how difficult drafting is.

How so? I wouldn't trust anything they have to say anymore than the next person on here. Usually when you go back and look at it, it's usually the person being called the idiot, and the person that goes against the grain, that turns out right. The smartest bet is usually to go against the majority. It's why Vegas cleans up year after year. It's why the dogs cover more often than not.





Him and GVC are basically the same person. They don't know dick about basketball, but run around telling everyone how stupid they are and talking like they know it all.


I'm not saying I know it all either. I'll happily admit when I'm wrong or say I don't know. Those guys cant.
 
Props to Numberica for voicing his opinion out loud and not hiding for "time will tell" cliche.
 
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