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Jazzbros: "I Hope I am Wrong"

Jazz could also sign Morrison this year. He is a free agent. Then Jazz could have Hayward and Morrison battle head to head for starting SF job.
 
Someone talked about a comparison to Mike Dunleavey Jr. I'll tell your right now that if Gordon turns out to be as good an Dunleavey before his injury last year I well be praising KOC for this pick for years. We can only hope he turns out that good.
 
Morrison benched more times than Hayward even though he weighed less.
Morrison has a significantly longer wingspan.
Morrison had better lateral footspeed times.

Weight alone and vertical jumping ability are probably the least important physical factors on defense for a perimeter player.
 
Catchall said:
Hayward can pass.

Hornacek couldn't jump.

And Gilbert Arenas has short arms.
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Hornacek wasn't a good defender but achieved what he did on that end thanks to the rules at the time. Hornacek would've been eaten alive with the hand-checking rules in place as they are now, and if I remember right, it was a huge factor in him retiring. And Gilbert Arenas is a horrible defender as well.

Why are we supposed to be wowed with sub 20-ppg on 46% shooting and 29% from 3? Is the only thing we're supposed to look at is the success of the teams he's been on, because there's not a lot else outside of that.
 
Catchall said:
Hayward can pass.

Hornacek couldn't jump.

And Gilbert Arenas has short arms.
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So what? We don't need SGs/SFs known for their passing. I grow so tired of people trying to use "passing" as one of the most important things in what they look at in a player. It happened with Monroe and now it's happening with Hayward. It's like some of you have decided to promote a player at any expense by emphasizing an aspect that isn't all that important and ignoring other aspects far more important.

Passing? Who gives a damn?! We have Dwill that can pass. That's good enough. The only position where passing is truly in the top 3 qualities desired is a PG. All the rest of the positions have greater questions, quickness, shooting ability, length, post moves, post position, pick and roll defense, post defense, shotblocking, etc.
 
Catchall said:
Hayward can pass.

Hornacek couldn't jump.

And Gilbert Arenas has short arms.
Click to expand...

So what? We don't need SGs/SFs known for their passing. I grow so tired of people trying to use "passing" as one of the most important things in what they look at in a player. It happened with Monroe and now it's happening with Hayward. It's like some of you have decided to promote a player at any expense by emphasizing an aspect that isn't all that important and ignoring other aspects far more important.

Passing? Who gives a damn?! We have Dwill that can pass. That's good enough. The only position where passing is truly in the top 3 qualities desired is a PG. All the rest of the positions have greater questions, quickness, shooting ability, length, post moves, post position, pick and roll defense, post defense, shotblocking, etc.

I think people have question marks about other aspects of Hayward's game and athletic ability... To add, I think Hayward probably has better aspects than just his passing game... I'll allow the Hayward fans to fill me in on exactly what they are (other than passing of course)...
 
NUMBERICA said:
Hornacek wasn't a good defender but achieved what he did on that end thanks to the rules at the time. Hornacek would've been eaten alive with the hand-checking rules in place as they are now, and if I remember right, it was a huge factor in him retiring. And Gilbert Arenas is a horrible defender as well.

Why are we supposed to be wowed with sub 20-ppg on 46% shooting and 29% from 3? Is the only thing we're supposed to look at is the success of the teams he's been on, because there's not a lot else outside of that.
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Would you rather have Xavier Henry or Paul George?

Also, Hayward is a career 36% shooter from deep despite an atrocious year.
 
I think the Hayward pick has already been written off as another Jazz draft disaster by most fans. Unlike some past selections, like Snyder and Humphries, where fans held out some hope until the guys actually started playing, I think fans are already resigned to this situation.
 
I don't think that Hayward will be a disaster. I just think that there were players who had more upside and met a need better. We'll see what happens to Paul George and Ed Davis (and maybe Cole Aldrich).

What would be awesome is if Evans turns into something (poor man's Millsap, with defense?), helping to justify the Jazz's decision to go little in the first round.

Oh--and as long as "passing" is a characteristic that is not used to mask other deficiencies, I'm all for it. Brewer was usually a slasher anyway, so he wasn't in a position to pass (partly because he wasn't usually in a position to shoot the ball, because his shooting wasn't great), but he didn't pass, even though he was a PG in college. Here's hoping Haley Joel does. AK is an OK passer, and it helps things. CJ doesn't usually think of any other option but Catch and Jack it up.
 
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