John Hollinger Thinks Conley May Opt Out


FAILED STATE

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Killer.

Short of the Knicks straight up bailing us out of Conley’s last year, it would require significant sacrifice (some combination of essentially extending Conley at a sufficiently reduced number for next year, losing Clarkson, using picks to jettison TB/Ed), would require the Jazz to field an offer competitive to Detroit’s (and they have a huge cap advantage), and he’d have to want to come here. But if he cares about winning and the Jazz can field a competitive financial offer then I think the Jazz would have the edge.

It’s a lot of moving parts and if I was the Jazz I would throw the kitchen sink at it. Athletic, switchable 4/5s that can protect the rim and hit 3s are uncommon, even those that aren’t as productive/efficient (23 PER, .66 TS%, great WS rate and on/off splits) as Wood has been for two years now. And we could use some Rudy insurance to boot.

It’s worth the sacrifice and the dice-roll.
This.

Philly could also bail us out. We either take Horford or find a third team. This seems like the mostly likely Conley trade to me.
 

NUMBERICA

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It’s about constructing a team to compete for a title over the next 6-10 years. Not next year. When we have no shot anyway.
Certainly not if we haven’t plugged the hole at the 4 and 5, are playing two small guards next to each other during the game’s most important stretches, are chronically unathletic, and unwilling to shake up the game plan.

I’m cool with Conley staying and being a significant contributor but the idea that he’s this amazing player that needs to start/end is totally ****ing wack.
 

NUMBERICA

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This.

Philly could also bail us out. We either take Horford or find a third team. This seems like the mostly likely Conley trade to me.
I wouldn’t say taking on Horford’s ****** deal is bailing us out of anything. It would absolutely require re-routing him for that description to apply.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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I just watched the playoffs and it was dominated by 6’ guards. Skilled athletic bigs were a complete non factor. We should look for even more old small guards.
You look for the best players. Certain posters here have made Conley a scapegoat and it's ridiculous. For people who should be smarter, there is a lot of grass is greener over dudes who are putting up stats on terrible teams who dont even fit this team. There should be a lot more excitement about what Conley is going to do next year after his excellent bubble run.

The Jazz need to look to get more athletic on the wings. That's should be the focus, not adding another 5 man like Wood (though like I've said numerous times, if he wants to be Rudy's backup, I'd welcome him with open arms).

Like we have all said though, this is really trivial since he has no chance of coming here.
 

FAILED STATE

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You look for the best players. Certain posters here have made Conley a scapegoat and it's ridiculous. For people who should be smarter, there is a lot of grass is greener over dudes who are putting up stats on terrible teams who dont even fit this team. There should be a lot more excitement about what Conley is going to do next year after his excellent bubble run.

The Jazz need to look to get more athletic on the wings. That's should be the focus, not adding another 5 man like Wood (though like I've said numerous times, if he wants to be Rudy's backup, I'd welcome him with open arms).

Like we have all said though, this is really trivial since he has no chance of coming here.
Dig your heels in harder, bruv
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Certainly not if we haven’t plugged the hole at the 4 and 5, are playing two small guards next to each other during the game’s most important stretches, are chronically unathletic, and unwilling to shake up the game plan.

I’m cool with Conley staying and being a significant contributor but the idea that he’s this amazing player that needs to start/end is totally ****ing wack.
Sure, if the Jazz can magically get a player better than Conley then that wont be the case.

That guy isnt Christian Wood.
 

radiohegel

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Mike is going to make a lot of people look really silly next year. The dude is still really good. If you can secure him as a long term backup PG after this coming season, you absolutely do it. And if doing so happens to also give you extra financial breathing room for 20/21, that’s just free money.
 

Cptgrnlngs22

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Mike is going to make a lot of people look really silly next year. The dude is still really good. If you can secure him as a long term backup PG after this coming season, you absolutely do it. And if doing so happens to also give you extra financial breathing room for 20/21, that’s just free money.
The problem is that we already have two old guys on medium sized contracts in joe and Bojan. We add 17 for mike then we have to be completely committed to the current core because there will be absolutely no flexibility for the entirety of Dons new contract. Which to be quite frank is a dismal thought. It doesn’t matter how good mike is or isn’t because the fit is wrong and Mitchell is ready to be the point and control the ball. We need to be looking for a big defensive guard to pair with him like Eric snow for AI was rather than another small scoring guard.


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Handlogten's Heros

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Mike is going to make a lot of people look really silly next year. The dude is still really good. If you can secure him as a long term backup PG after this coming season, you absolutely do it. And if doing so happens to also give you extra financial breathing room for 20/21, that’s just free money.
He makes the haters look dumb when he has a couple good games but he struggled this year. Those saying he will be waaaaaay better over the whole season aren’t really making evidence based decisions. They may end up being right which would be great... but more likely than not it will be a mixed bag again.
 

idiot

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I’m getting interested in the idea of Horford + minor haul of assets + improved financial flexibility this offseason + improved defense instead of.... Conley.
What's your best, most realistic scenario for this? I think my eyes glazed over from earlier on this thread trying to imagine why we'd want Horford's contract for several more years and how Horford would fit as a PF, in addition to backup C. Maybe I was too dismissive then (though I'm still struggling to see these working out as well as you see them, apparently).

I'm still skeptical that Philly's as eager to send us Horford + goodies as the earlier discussion seemed to be suggesting, particularly since all the talk about how Conley would help the Sixers seems to come from Jazz fans rather than Philly fans. But, for the sake of discussion, what do you see as the best trade that Philly could be persuaded to make?
 

FAILED STATE

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What's your best, most realistic scenario for this? I think my eyes glazed over from earlier on this thread trying to imagine why we'd want Horford's contract for several more years and how Horford would fit as a PF, in addition to backup C. Maybe I was too dismissive then (though I'm still struggling to see these working out as well as you see them, apparently).

I'm still skeptical that Philly's as eager to send us Horford + goodies as the earlier discussion seemed to be suggesting, particularly since all the talk about how Conley would help the Sixers seems to come from Jazz fans rather than Philly fans. But, for the sake of discussion, what do you see as the best trade that Philly could be persuaded to make?
@Handlogten's Heros is definitely the guy to ask for the gritty details.

I don’t think Horford + Thybulle + a late first is out of the question. Their cap sheet is ****ing awful. And Conley fits pretty damn well with their needs.
 

idiot

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@Handlogten's Heros is definitely the guy to ask for the gritty details.

I don’t think Horford + Thybulle + a late first is out of the question. Their cap sheet is ****ing awful. And Conley fits pretty damn well with their needs.
Thanks for responding.

But I'm sorry. I really don't consider this realistic. If it happens, great! I don't mind being proven wrong.

As much as I'm not convinced that Horford over Conley is a clear upgrade, Thybulle would probably tip the scales. And another 1st would certainly help, too. (As long as someone persuades me that taking on Horford's contract isn't going to hurt badly down the line.) But I think you're seeing through Jazz-colored glasses on this one.
 
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