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john stockton speaks out against the covid policies

Whatever John said is probably correct... he was way too good of a point guard to be wrong... thems the rules.
You need to actually look at what John Stockton said, and then get better informed...... uhhhmmm..... aren't you doctor??? But still, this is a subject that's developing so fast we don't get it in textbooks. So yah, even if you're a doctor, Stockton said we are needing to fix some stuff we're doing. Almost can't really be wrong there. I don't think he was claiming a new research report he's authored or anything like that. Just observing that what we're doing is raising serious questions about policies. For good reason. We're not even following the science we know in some things.

Way too much political pressure forcing public information or policies that are not that well-informed.
 
John Stockton's comment was totally OK.

Stockton was an ignorant, older, white guy speaking out on issues he didn't understand, based on social media that had been fed to him which reinforced his opinions rather than expanding his knowledge. Of course you would approve.

Being concerned about authoritarian meansures that don't make good sense...... responsible and sensible. Everyone should be asking these questions and doing more to get information about stuff affecting their lives.
Everyone should also remember that the wisdom to correctly understand the issue comes from years of education and experience in the field, not from doing some web searches a few hours a week.
 
You need to actually look at what John Stockton said, and then get better informed...... uhhhmmm..... aren't you doctor??? But still, this is a subject that's developing so fast we don't get it in textbooks. So yah, even if you're a doctor, Stockton said we are needing to fix some stuff we're doing. Almost can't really be wrong there. I don't think he was claiming a new research report he's authored or anything like that. Just observing that what we're doing is raising serious questions about policies. For good reason. We're not even following the science we know in some things.

Way too much political pressure forcing public information or policies that are not that well-informed.
I’m only a Love Doctor... it’s not an official degree but I printed an online certificate... as it relates to John... my comments are raging sarcasm. I won’t cancel my child hood hero... I just ignore anything negative and it’s better that way.
 
There was no herd immunity to smallpox; it was a continuing threat over generations until there were inoculations.


Measles were still around when I was a kid. The great influenza is still infecting us (it seems to have mutated into various strains of the annual flus).

I found this article on West Nile virus. Page 46 talks about a reduction in activity, but doesn't mention any populations where the transmission risk was insignificant.

In this article, the reduction in avian mortality from cholera occurred with a massive mortality rate.
I know some moms who have held parties to effectively distribute measles to kids so that they wouldn't get serious effects in later life if they got it later.

Pretty close to the idea of "herd immunity" locally at least, if you ask me, considering those parties, speaking as a cowboy, it impressively measures up to being a "herd"..

Just to save you the Obsessive impulse, here's the link you'd drag up to tell me I'm stupid. Measles Outbreak: Why ‘Measles Parties’ Are A Bad Idea For Parents – CBS New York (cbslocal.com)
In rural Mexican communities, a lot of parents have held these parties and with few negatives that they realized. Maybe not many immunocompromised people nearby.... cancer or HIV or transplant surgery ......

So far as I know, the vaccine is effective but there are legitimate health risks with the vaccine as well. Measles, Mumps, And Rubella Virus Vaccine Live (Subcutaneous Route, Intramuscular Route) Side Effects - Mayo Clinic

Institutional and governmental "authorities", as well as corporate providers, have a known bias towards minimizing the risks. Largely, the adjuvants, and preservatives are things that come with regulatory warnings if you are exposed to such stuff. Here, it's being injected, not just skin contact. The active materials are live viruses, possibly modified. The modifications may have effects on the patients as well.

Somehow, the pharma companies are not required to make all those disclosures as a matter of public policy favoring mass vaccinations. Probably, public policy here reflects some big money lobbyists leaning over the desks of politicians and bureaucrats.

And then our legislators give the pharma companies and care providers protection from being sued.

These institutional biases can not be excused by any legitimate arguments. People have the right to the facts, and to the legal process.

Rather than turning to mass public disinformation campaigns to achieve mass compliance, like what you have in the first link if you follow it to the end, perhaps the government should create an insurance pool by applying a fee to manufacturers and providers, and require tracking patients' later health. It would cost to do all that. But without that information, and without funding followup/tracking research. But that would do more to give us confidence in our government, and it would serious undermine the credibility of scaremongers.
 
Natural herd immunity is part of the evolution of every animal.

Europeans had acquired herd immunity to many diseases (smallpox, etc) that they carried to the Americas, where millions of Native Americans, who had no such immunity, were wiped out. See "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond, where it is well explained.

Here are a few others from a quick google search:
  1. Great Influenza (Spanish Flu)
  2. avian cholera in Arctic-nesting seabirds
  3. measles in humans in the 1930s
  4. Avian cholera in Arctic-nesting seabirds
  5. West Nile Virus across various bird species
Herd immunity is a 20th-century concept, so, of course, most cases throughout history and across all species are unknown and undocumented.
Guns germs and steel is an awesome book. Love it.
 
Stockton was an ignorant, older, white guy speaking out on issues he didn't understand, based on social media that had been fed to him which reinforced his opinions rather than expanding his knowledge. Of course you would approve.


Everyone should also remember that the wisdom to correctly understand the issue comes from years of education and experience in the field, not from doing some web searches a few hours a week.
You simply live in denial of the possibilities of people having good sense. Without all the indoctrination and authoritarian edicts.

Someone has a new term, maybe it will become hate speech like most epithets, but it's too new, too original right now.

I find it, well, a bit funny. at least for a few giggles.

People who find themselves somehow far better informed or far better oriented in Establishment conformance....... are "Woke Supremacists".
 
Which diseases were removed from the population by herd immunity, to your understanding?

That is not what herd immunity is. It does not remove the disease from the population, it just limits its spread to the point where it doesn't have a high likelihood of spreading to the group herd. The term was coined from during a cow early fetus death problem, and at some point was related to the human population. Measles, which has been considered "eradicated" still has 1000+ cases each year due to people refusing to vaccinate. The other issue is often like-minded people (anti-vaxxers for example) will go to the same churches, etc., so even if the population in general is largely immune, there can still be a spread.

For many years, adults had herd immunity from being exposed to diseases that childen could still get.

Chicken pox is a good example of a virus that we as a population had herd immunity to prior to vaccination. That doesn't mean people still couldn't get it that never had it, but the likelihood was low. The more contagious a virus is, the more people will need to have had it (vaccines not withstanding) in order to achieve herd immunity. Interestingly, since the chicken pox vaccine is relatively new, we still don't know if those that received the vaccine will still be subject to getting shingles.

Many highly contagious viruses, especially those susceptible to mutation, never allow us to truly get to herd immunity (think influenza). The flu kills on average 0.5% of the population. That number would be higher without a flu shot. That is probably where we'll end up with for Corona. Without the vaccine the large majority of the population will need to get it to have any sort of herd immunity. Thankfully there is a vaccine. Hopefully it can be distributed fast enough to slow down mutations that are resistant to the vaccine.
 
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That is not what herd immunity is. It does not remove the disease from the population, it just limits its spread to the point where it doesn't have a high likelihood of spreading to the group herd. The term was coined from during a cow early fetus death problem, and at some point was related to the human population. Measles, which has been considered "eradicated" still has 1000+ cases each year due to people refusing to vaccinate. The other issue is often like-minded people (anti-vaxxers for example) will go to the same churches, etc., so even if the population in general is largely immune, there can still be a spread.

For many years, adults had herd immunity from being exposed to diseases that childen could still get.

Chicken pox is a good example of a virus that we as a population had herd immunity to prior to vaccination. That doesn't mean people still couldn't get it that never had it, but the likelihood was low. The more contagious a virus is, the more people will need to have had it (vaccines not withstanding) in order to achieve herd immunity. Interestingly, since the chicken pox vaccine is relatively new, we still don't know if those that received the vaccine will still be subject to getting shingles.

Many highly contagious viruses, especially those susceptible to mutation, never allow us to truly get to herd immunity (think influenza). The flu kills on average 0.5% of the population. That number would be higher without a flu shot. That is probably where we'll end up with for Corona. Without the vaccine the large majority of the population will need to get it to have any sort of herd immunity. Thankfully there is a vaccine. Hopefully it can be distributed fast enough to slow down mutations that are resistant to the vaccine.
You may want to recheck your number in the final paragraph. 0.5% of the US population would be in the neighborhood of 1.6 million. It looks like it averages around 0.01% of the US population. Unless you were talking about the world population.
 
Stockton was an ignorant, older, white guy speaking out on issues he didn't understand, based on social media that had been fed to him which reinforced his opinions rather than expanding his knowledge. Of course you would approve.


Everyone should also remember that the wisdom to correctly understand the issue comes from years of education and experience in the field, not from doing some web searches a few hours a week.
What the hell does John being white (or even older for that matter) have to do with anything?

Everyone should remember that you are a complete idiot and anything you say should be either ignored or jeered at.
 
What the hell does John being white (or even older for that matter) have to do with anything?

Everyone should remember that you are a complete idiot and anything you say should be either ignored or jeered at.
Everyone should remember that you're calling a clearly smarter person than yourself an idiot.
 
There was never herd immunity for measles (if anything, it was caught by pretty much everyone), and it didn't kill people off.

You are conflating the occurrence of natural herd immunity (which occurs all the time) with the total eradication of the disease from natural herd immunity.

I’m not going to debate you on the well known scientific fact that natural herd immunity happens without vaccines. It is discussed widely in peer-reviewed scientific papers.

Regarding your categorical statement that there was "never" measles herd immunity for measles, the 1930s natural herd immunity is well documented in the scientific literature. One example
 
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