Kanter and Burke have got to go

[JAZZGASM]

The Spurs are fun to watch. An oasis in a league of otherwise selfish, star-focused basketball. The Jazz used to be that way. Jazz basketball used to be unique. It was fundamentals on both ends of the court. And they won with a few great players and a mediocre supporting cast that bought into a system.

It doesn't matter who we put on the court if we can't get them to buy into playing good basketball. Hopefully Snyder can turn it around. I feel like they have good pieces on this team that need to jell. Hopefully they don't blow things up before we can find out.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Spurs are fun to watch. An oasis in a league of otherwise selfish, star-focused basketball. The Jazz used to be that way. Jazz basketball used to be unique. It was fundamentals on both ends of the court. And they won with a few great players and a mediocre supporting cast that bought into a system.

It doesn't matter who we put on the court if we can't get them to buy into playing good basketball. Hopefully Snyder can turn it around. I feel like they have good pieces on this team that need to jell. Hopefully they don't blow things up before we can find out.

You make it sound like it is easy to do it though. Like all players have to do is just pass the ball. You have to your core players play together for years, close to a decade, to achieve that kind of fluidity.

 

[da ThRONe]

Yeah, but they do have a former superstar, so they aren't completely devoid of super-star talent. The talent and mind is still there for Duncan, just not the movement capabilities.

And like people have said, we will probably never see a team like the Spurs again, just like we will never see a Stockton/Malone/Sloan system again. Those kind of things are just as unique as a Lebron-type player.

We still have to chase that model, just like Popovich has stated he used Sloan's system as inspiration as his, but it will never be the same. Jazz got to build the New Jazz Model as inspired by Spurs/Old Jazz.

While Duncan plays at a much higher level than you would expect he's is no longer a superstar. Parker and Ginobili are both a step to several steps slower. IMO Leonard is closer to being a superstar at this stage than Duncan, Parker, or Ginobili.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The Mavericks and Spurs are held together by elite talent light years ahead of anything the Jazz currently have.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

While Duncan plays at a much higher level than you would expect he's is no longer a superstar. Parker and Ginobili are both a step to several steps slower. IMO Leonard is closer to being a superstar at this stage than Duncan, Parker, or Ginobili.

Dude, Leonard had two really good games in the series, but he isn't better than Parker/Ginobili/Duncan. Please look past the last 4 days.

Like I said, Duncan is no longer a super-star athletically, but he still brings the super-star mindest, IQ, and intangibles that only a player who has been arguably the best player at his position for more than a decade can bring.

 

[da ThRONe]

The Mavericks and Spurs are held together by elite talent light years ahead of anything the Jazz currently have.

Yeah, but they are fully developed players. Who in the Jazz core is fully developed?

 

[da ThRONe]

Dude, Leonard had two really good games in the series, but he isn't better than Parker/Ginobili/Duncan. Please look past the last 4 days.

Like I said, Duncan is no longer a super-star athletically, but he still brings the super-star mindest, IQ, and intangibles that only a player who has been arguably the best player at his position for more than a decade can bring.

Well I been claiming Leonard as a future #1 for a while now. His two games has no bearing on my opinion. Pops seems to believe in Kawhi as well. Not to say Kawhi is better than Parker or Duncan(I think he has passed Ginobili), just that he's just about to turn 23 and only been in the league 3 years. I think my comment was more about Leonard being on the upswing than him being better than the other core members.

 

[SojoDave]

I read a transcript of a Snyder interview and he was asked about how to improve the defense. He touched on challenging guys and if they don't play on that end they don't play.

If this is true, Snyder would be benching the entire team...

In regards to the Spurs, they don't just pass the ball well, the move the ball. Hayward is the only ball mover we have and Ty certainly didn't use him correctly. I've heard Quin talk about ball movement twice in interviews and if he can install ball movement, we will be a better team and funner to watch. I seriously doubt we will move Burke this summer. Kanter, however, is a valuable trade chip and it would take a lot of guts to move him. If we draft Vonleh or get a big man vet, Kanter may be shopped eventually.

 

[JAZZGASM]

You make it sound like it is easy to do it though. Like all players have to do is just pass the ball. You have to your core players play together for years, close to a decade, to achieve that kind of fluidity.

While not easy, initial results should show early if people buy in. I'm not saying they need to have the Spurs level of efficiency from day one. Yes it takes time, but hell, look at how efficient our young team with really nobody played in 04-05. If our current roster could play fundamental team ball like that we'd be in the playoffs for sure.

 

[Doublea]

Didja know the core 5 all averaged over 15 pts a game when they started those last five games or so? Just need some bench depth (from the draft) and some experience with a coach.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Kanter will develop, and be damn good. Makes no sense to just let him go. Unless we are talking about acquiring franchise talent through a package of him and other assets, the suggestion is ridiculous. If we don't offer him, or he doesn't accept before this season, we still have the whole 14-15 season to evaluate him before simply "cutting our losses." If we decide he is 100% wrong for us, he could still develop more trade value before the deadline. Right now, his value in the market doesn't come close to reflecting his talent. You don't buy high to sell low.

I don't like Burke, and think his ceiling is low, and his weaknesses are big detriments to our team, but even I wouldn't say you cut your losses yet. If there is a good trade involving him, you make it. But if there isn't, you keep your asset and see what he becomes. Three more seasons until he has to be paid.


This has to be the most irrational thread ever.

 

[cowhide]

Kanter would have pump faked, paused, dribbled, pump faked, and traveled... then looked back at the ref with that sad/frustrated face.

Well you should have seen Tiago when he first came to the Spurs. Dude was horrible. He traveled and got in foul trouble. Seriously some of you guys should take a vacation for three or four years and then come back and complain about guys like Kanter/Burke etc. You guys do remember that Stockton didn't play that much when he first started in the league and Malone average 14 pts and shot 48 percent from the FT line as a rookie.