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Douchebag K said:
Mate you’re obsessed with all these little numbers. Just watch their games and you’ll see KAT is weak as pi$$ on one half of the court and that without Jimmy Butler they’re not close to playoffs. KAT couldn’t carry Rudy’s jock
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Nobody wins alone in this league. That said, during butlers injury stretch, he averaged 25 & 13 and kept the wolves afloat at 9 & 9 against 11 playoff teams.

I feel confident he’d only improve under quin. He’s only one year older than Donovan FFS.

Rudy is pretty weak on one end of the floor as well. Good teams make us play 4 on 5 offensively because he can’t catch passes and can’t score outside of put backs. The numbers show that KAT is a net positive defensively. Rudy is a net negative offensively.
 
I personally wouldn't do it, but Gobert for Kat is not a bad trade. Kat is an unbelievable talent playing for a one-dimensional coaching idiot who sucks the life out of his players and generally underachieves year after year. I wouldn't trade Gobert for anyone because I believe he will come back much better than ever offensively and will continue to improve because he wants to.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I am a firm believer that no one is untouchable. That said, Gobert is untouchable.

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Every player on this team is so damn likeable that they are all untouchable. You want one of them? First condition should be Utah requiring you to agree with a restructured contract that pays them for us ******** on them.

It's a business and all that but every since player has been ready and competent when called upon. I would ask Epke, Jerebko, Favors, Burks, and even O'Neale (On condition of guaranteing his deal) if they want to go somewhere where they could secure a longer snt deal.

Part of its business mantra is building strong relations and good reputation. I'm finally happy with a Jazz team that has developed that again. I don't care about results right now.
 
I'm pretty sure most non-Jazz fans would do it. KAT still has potential to grow. Gobert has peaked (i.e. he isn't going to develop an offensive game). Plus, KAT+Favors is a much deadlier duo than Favors+Gobert.
 
jope said:
Surprised.. Everybody pretty low on KAT.... Let me play Devil's Advocate. Metrically, hes better on paper than Rudy.

He's 3 Years younger, on a much cheaper contract, and not coming off two knee injuries.
His VORP is 5.5 (Gobert 2.9).
He had the 10th highest PER in the league (24.9, Gobert was 22nd at 20.7)
He had a higher BPM (5.5 to 4.3)
Higher Win Share Rate
More Rebounds.
More Assists.
Only "traditional" stat he doesnt beat RG in is Blocks, but he still gets 1.4 a game.

He shot 42% on 3.5 3pt attempts per game (!!!)

KAT Shoots 86% from the FT line, making his TS% nearly identical to Rudy's, while having a much higher USG%
On that note, his usage is much higher than Rudys, yet he turns it over less than Rudy does.

And he played all 82 games for the 3rd season in a row (!!!) while Rudy was hit with 2 knee injuries (something perhaps not discussed enough, and a chance to be a reoccurring problem with big lankys like Rudy) forcing him to miss nearly a third of the season for the 2nd time in the last 3 years.

People mention KAT's not good defensively. While he's not Rudy (no one is), he had a +1.1 dBPM, which is above average, and averaged over 12 rebs a game (Rudy at just over 10).
Meanwhile, Rudy's offensive BPM was a NEGATIVE (-0.3) while KAT posted a POSITIVE (4.4) offensively.

Would i trade Gobert for KAT 1-1? Probably, TBH, but I'd probably have to pull the trigger with my eyes closed. Rudy is committed, fiery, and is a fan favorite. That said I actually really like KAT, hell just a year ago he averaged 25 & 12 over an 82 games-played season.

I don't scoff at the idea as much as the rest of you i guess.
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Probably the most sensible post here.
 
magic said:
I'm pretty sure most non-Jazz fans would do it. KAT still has potential to grow. Gobert has peaked (i.e. he isn't going to develop an offensive game). Plus, KAT+Favors is a much deadlier duo than Favors+Gobert.
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I'd take Gobert becoming better offensively over KAT learning Defense. I think that now we have our team and get our reps, Gobert will become more useful on offense. All he really needs is a hook. He added the Eurostep, so I don't see why a hook would be impossible.
 
This is crazy how fast this forum turned on KAT. Seems like it was yesterday that he was the next great thing. Now he is trash practically. Lol. Dude, just turned 22. What the hell happened? What am I missing? No one considering how good he might be when he is 27, five long years from now? After developing his game and maturing?

Id be real hesitant to trade Rudy for anyone out of the top 5 in the league, but Cmon, as a GM you would at least consider trading for Towns and take a closer look. Im not even sure Minnesota would do it. Their fans would probably be scoffing at the idea too.

KAT is still a player with huge potential. Nothing has changed.
 
I love Rudy as much as the next guy here, and he absolutely deatroys 90% of the league but as soon as it comes to beating the two top teams in the league he suddenly becomes less relevant and we suddenly need more scoring instead

The best teams in the league are winning from the 3 point line where Rudy isnt.
 
MVP said:
Maybe I missed something but you said no one is untouchable but Gobert. Apologies.
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No big deal, but I didn't say anything close to that. Go re-read it.
 
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