Kemba or Tobias, who would you rather have?

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by colton, May 13, 2019.

Kemba or Tobias, who do you take?

  1. Kemba

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  2. Tobias

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  1. daz206

    daz206 New Member

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    I see what you did there...
     
  2. Ostertag>Duncan

    Ostertag>Duncan My Members Premium Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    I'm one of the few here who probably understand this. Thank you, I laughed out loud.
     
  3. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    I'm still torn on this, myself. Can't figure out who to vote for.
     
  4. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

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    Kemba, not a huge fan of Harris on a Max deal.
     
  5. nateboz

    nateboz Well-Known Member

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    He averaged 10ppg 5rpg 7assists on the season. He doesnt get hurt when the suns comes up. He's going to be cheap. If you spend most of the money on Harris your going to be limited, or make some creative trades.

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  6. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    This in a nutshell is why I want Tobias. If we sign Walker, great. He’s a nice player, but is redundant to what we already have, and minimizes Ingles.
    As bad as our 4 situation? I disagree. If we add Walker, now we have 3 players that need the ball on the perimeter to be affective, and minimizes Ingles role on the team, and we still have a hole at the 4 position, Favors is gone obviously, Crowder isn’t a very good outside shooter most of the time, and not a good playmaker, and though I am high on Niang, who knows.

    On the other hand, if we have Harris, all we need to do is add a Beverly or a P-Mills type pg, because we have plenty of playmaking from Mitchell and Ingles, and Neto and Exum are quality backups when healthy, surely one can be healthy most of the time... I hope.

    Gobert ?
    Harris Crowder Niang
    Ingles O’Neale Crowder
    Mitchell O’Neale Allen
    Beverly or Mills Exum Neto Allen

    Or

    Gobert ?
    Crowder Niang
    Ingles O’Neale Crowder
    Mitchell O’Neale Allen
    Walker Exum Neto Allen

    To me I think the top lineup is more potent and versatile and takes full advantage of all the talent on this team. We don’t need a playmaking talent at pg with Mitchell and Ingles. They compliment each other so well, adding Walker to that is just overkill IMO.
     
  7. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    I’d rather have Beverley.
     
  8. DOA

    DOA New Member

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    Harris
    Brogdon
    Walker
     
  9. checkbookdoc

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    Tobias, and it wasn't very close for all the reasons listed (except the bodybuilding reasons). Also like that Harris is 2 years younger and should be at peak during the entire contract but Kemba will likely be in decline by the end.
     
  10. nateboz

    nateboz Well-Known Member

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    Beverly is going to cost a ton.

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  11. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    So?
     
  12. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Harris is three years younger, which is a lifetime in the NBA. Kemba is 29, and the backend of that contract is gonna be rough for whoever signs him to it.
     
  13. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so Harris is actually 2 years 68 days younger, but I still think this puts them at different points in their careers at the end of a 4 year contract.
     
  14. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Tobias got way more potential
     
  15. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    He's also bigger and likely to age well... Kemba being small and being reliant on athleticism could be a nasty fall off. IT has lost 2 years on his hip injury... I could see something like that happening with Kemba… not definite, but in the realm of possibility.
     
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  16. NAOS

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    I see no reason Kemba couldn't age like Tony Parker.
     
  17. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    You mean the exception that proves the rule?
     
  18. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    I think the Conley thing shouldn't be overlooked regarding this conversation as I'm not even positive I like Kemba more than Conley, and I think Conley could be the most-available of the Jazz's targets. It is worth noting that the Grizzlies have demoted Wallace, done a FO overhaul, and don't have a coach.

    If there's some scenario that we can have Tobias and Conley, gun hard for that and if Conley is all you end up with, fine. For those that would be worried about the salary going forward; by the time Donovan actually gets his payday, Conley, Gobert, and Ingles also come off the books. At that point, the Jazz could try and re-load if the experiment somehow didn't go well.

    I like any of those scenarios more than paying a 32 or 33-year old Kemba >$35 million and the lost opportunity of Conley.
     
  19. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at Player A and Player B, with respect to the way they each impact the game. In a general view, I don't consider 29 to be that old for Player A or Player B. Very little hesitation when it comes to imagining a 4-year contract.
     
  20. Handlogten's Heros

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    It's complicated because Conley would require assets so there is some opportunity cost.

    I take either Harris or Kemba all day everyday. I think you could find viable stretch fours on the market for bargain price (7-10M per year), but you can't get ones that can playmake/create like Tobias... there is also some untapped potential I could really get excited about.

    I think it would be easier to find a pg or sg that provides some playmaking but that market isn't super saturated either... I think guys like Dragic (may be washed) and Conley could become available.

    It's a tough call... that we will not have to make... I'd love to be choosey. I also think Kemba is a lot less likely to leave his current situation... the extra year and $50-$80M is tough to pass up to join another small market with a chance to win big. He could bolt to NY with KD or Clippers with Kawhi or Lakers with Lebron or Dallas... so those markets provide better money making opportunities and are generally more desirable... I'm guessing they pony up the full 5/220M max for him or at very least the 5/190M and figure it out later.
     

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