Kevin Pelton Thinks George Hill Will Get $20 Million in FA

[Hotdog]

No surprise that NAOS is leading the charge of paying a soon to be 31 year old George Hill 20 million a year. Who by the way, isnt playing right now.

The Millers arent going to pay the luxury tax that gets worse every year you are in it. Maybe one year, but not multiple. Thats what you would be asking them to do at some point.

Hill is not good enough to be considered 1 of a big 3 on a team. Thats all you can keep. The salary cap went up, but so have all the salaries. Dont forget, Hayward (if he stays) is going to get 30 million per year. Thats going to be a huge chunk of the salary cap.

Let someone else overpay for an average point guard on the wrong side of 30.

 

[stitches]

An interesting interview with Rodney post Orlando game:
https://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-rodney-hood-shouldering-the-load/

The reason I'm posting it here is the thing he said about George Hill: "I wasn't feeling well(he was playing with a cold). George pulled me to the side, he told me "I just need 3 minutes from you, everything you've got". On that 3 minute run I was really aggressive, my team needed that from me to give them a push so George was big in that".

I don't think we've had a vet to push them like that before. George helping us win games even when not playing... Nice.

 

[Deleted member 848]

We can trade players before then. Hill staying means Alec is out. Under the scenario I gave hills salary that year would be 15ish.

Even if we got to 2018-19 and needed dump salary we could absolutely move Hills contract... likely pick up assets while we did it.

Another thing that needs to be said is that Burks contract is only great if he plays and finds a role. He may not be able to do that this year on this team... at which point we are half way through that cheap contract.im a fan of his work but am skeptical it comes together for him any time soon and starting next year his cheap contract may cost us someone who came in and was immediately effective/great... and then it becomes a problem.

Your doing your argument a disservice when you're here telling us that Hill will get Danny Green money

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Your doing your argument a disservice when you're here telling us that Hill will get Danny Green money

Read the whole thread... he gets 3/60 but 10 or more of it is in this year. The rest averaged over three years or with a slight declining salary. He'd get 20 per year but cap hold in that year would be closer to 15ish.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

An interesting interview with Rodney post Orlando game:
https://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-rodney-hood-shouldering-the-load/

The reason I'm posting it here is the thing he said about George Hill: "I wasn't feeling well(he was playing with a cold). George pulled me to the side, he told me "I just need 3 minutes from you, everything you've got". On that 3 minute run I was really aggressive, my team needed that from me to give them a push so George was big in that".

I don't think we've had a vet to push them like that before. George helping us win games even when not playing... Nice.

Some say he's on the wrong side of 30 doe...

 

[Deleted member 848]

Read the whole thread... he gets 3/60 but 10 or more of it is in this year. The rest averaged over three years or with a slight declining salary. He'd get 20 per year but cap hold in that year would be closer to 15ish.

So a 3/60 contract would mean he'd only be on this team for two more seasons after this one?


That's obviously amazing for us, but is it the best contract he'll get?

 

[Boris]

ye Hill's contract should be eligible for restructuring. The cool thing is that his salary can be reduced by up to 40% next season that way(the extension part of restructuring)
The reason Hill might wanna wait is that under the current CBA he could get an extra year by waiting until next summer.
The tricky factor is that if Hill switches teams, the new team doesn't have bird rights and thus he doesn't get a 5th year.
So if he wants to get the 5th year, he has to stay. If he wants to stay there's still a case to be made to restructure now as the bump in salary for this season could be as high as 13 million

Seriously? Give him 28.2/16/16/16 today.

You have to look at 4 years as today he is making 8 million. Give him a extra 20 mil right off for contract advantage later. He will never make that back. 4/80 + 8 over 5 vs 4/76 guaranteed today plus years to earn more what do you pick?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So a 3/60 contract would mean he'd only be on this team for two more seasons after this one?


That's obviously amazing for us, but is it the best contract he'll get?

No 3 more years after this one. We can renegotiate and extend him giving him our remaining cap space this year and adding it to his current salary... stitches broke it down in a thread and of course nailed it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Seriously? Give him 28.2/16/16/16 today.

You have to look at 4 years as today he is making 8 million. Give him a extra 20 mil right off for contract advantage later. He will never make that back. 4/80 + 8 over 5 vs 4/76 guaranteed today plus years to earn more what do you pick?

We can give him an extra 13.5 this year so the remaining three years would be 16, 15.5, 15.

If he'd take it I think it's a good deal for us. Regardless if Exum blows up Hill has enough floor game to be a big contributor. If we needed to move him later it is completely doable. If he gets to FA then I think we have a tough time making the numbers work.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would never extend as a PG when I saw Mike Conley get 30 million a year.

 

[NAOS]

I would never extend as a PG when I saw Mike Conley get 30 million a year.

it depends on what your relationship to winning is. Everybody knows that Conley got paid but ain't winning ****. There are guys (e.g. David West), who have very different ideas.

Personally, if a player were to sign a multi-year contract with, say, Sacramento, and the driving force of that decision was money, then I'd say "Adios mother ****er. Stay away from my team."

I think George #B Hill is cut from a different cloth.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

it depends on what your relationship to winning is. Everybody knows that Conley got paid but ain't winning ****. There are guys (e.g. David West), who have very different ideas.

Personally, if a player were to sign a multi-year contract with, say, Sacramento, and the driving force of that decision was money, then I'd say "Adios mother ****er. Stay away from my team."

I think George #B Hill is cut from a different cloth.

So if he is cut from a different cloth and cares about winning then he is going to sign with the Spurs, the team that has a championship caliber HC and multiple rings.

 

[Deleted member 848]

it depends on what your relationship to winning is. Everybody knows that Conley got paid but ain't winning ****. There are guys (e.g. David West), who have very different ideas.

Personally, if a player were to sign a multi-year contract with, say, Sacramento, and the driving force of that decision was money, then I'd say "Adios mother ****er. Stay away from my team."

I think George #B Hill is cut from a different cloth.

Fatuous comparison. West is at the end of his career, and he's already made $87.7 million to his name (prior to signing that Spurs contract)-- he obviously only has a couple of years left to win a ring before he retires.

Hill made 5 million through his rookie contract, and the Pacers signed him with a 5 year/40 million dollar contract that's set to expire this season. He's in a completely different situation. He's not 36 and ringless.

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No one is saying that Hill's decision-making will be determined purely out of money, but you're kidding yourself if you think Hill is going to take a significant discount for Utah when half of the teams in the league are willing to fork him way more (and not to mention the prospects of sponsorships when playing in larger markets).

The only way Hill stays with us over the Spurs (even with both teams offering equal $ contracts) is if we meet them in the playoffs and we trounce them.

 

[Deleted member 848]

So if he is cut from a different cloth and cares about winning then he is going to sign with the Spurs, the team that has a championship caliber HC and multiple rings.

and a city he loves and the city his wife and her family is from.

 

[NAOS]

So if he is cut from a different cloth and cares about winning then he is going to sign with the Spurs, the team that has a championship caliber HC and multiple rings.

Fatuous comparison. West is at the end of his career, and he's already made $87.7 million to his name (prior to signing that Spurs contract)-- he obviously only has a couple of years left to win a ring before he retires.

Hill made 5 million through his rookie contract, and the Pacers signed him with a 5 year/40 million dollar contract that's set to expire this season. He's in a completely different situation. He's not 36 and ringless.

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No one is saying that Hill's decision-making will be determined purely out of money, but you're kidding yourself if you think Hill is going to take a significant discount for Utah when half of the teams in the league are willing to fork him way more (and not to mention the prospects of sponsorships when playing in larger markets).

The only way Hill stays with us over the Spurs (even with both teams offering equal $ contracts) is if we meet them in the playoffs and we trounce them.

You guys should try even harder to seize on the most literal parts of what I said. Did I say that Hill is West? No. Did I say Hill would choose winning at all costs? No. The message that hangs over all of this comes from him: he wants to sign an extension HERE. He's smart enough to know that he isn't going to get full value relative to the market that includes Sacramento, etc. He seems prepared to take what this team can afford, and he'll know if we are coming up short on the offer because the balance sheet and priorities here are not very hard to calculate.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So just because he said in an interview he is open to an extension means he wants one? You dont consider the fact that his response is the correct/safe PR move? When a player says "I'll let my agent and the Jazz FO handle that" that is basically the player removing himself from any liability to the fan base.

Also like that NAOS is reassuring himself that Hill will stay and choose us over anything else by repeatedly using the despondent Kings as an example for his other FA choice.

 

[NAOS]

So just because he said in an interview he is open to an extension means he wants one? You dont consider the fact that his response is the correct/safe PR move? When a player says "Ill let my agent and the Jazz FO handle that" that is basically the player removing himself from any liability to the fan base.

now you're ready to read into subtleties? Just a minute ago you were taking words at some literal/face value. It seems like you shift from one mode to the other as it suits you.

 

[NAOS]

It is not wistful or homerish to listen to what George Hill has said and conclude that he's prepared to stay here; that he's the kind of guy who will sit at the negotiating table and leave something there for both sides.

It's also very safe to say he's a guy who has demonstrated that he's a man of his word, not some kind of artist at shell games and misdirections.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, I think George Hill is open to staying here. I'm just smart enough to know that staying here isn't his #1 priority. If it was, an extension would already have been signed. He has some sort of monetary demand that has to be met.

 

[NAOS]

Yes, I think George Hill is open to staying here. I'm just smart enough to know that staying here isn't his #1 priority. If it was, an extension would already have been signed. He has some sort of monetary demand that has to be met.

Are you so ****ing ludicrous and wrapped-up into your takes on things that you actually believe that I was saying "staying here is his #1 priority" and "he has no serious monetary demand"? Do people have to speak in your exact self-same version of the English language in order for you to stop simply waiting for your turn to speak rather than listen?