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Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who cares about simply losing AK? It's not like we lose this amazing talent with nothing in return. We get a ton of cap flexibility when he's gone so I'd rather have that than another mediocre player at 9 mil per who I doubt works in this system. He's too lazy to work in a Sloan system. I hope to hell he could prove us wrong, but he was a product of the Steve Nash system and hasn't proven anything else so far. I understood moving Maynor and Brewer to save money, but moving someone like AK is a slap in the face to the fans. Anyone who believes this makes us better (and I did see a couple comments about that) is completely delusional.

Your actually very wrong about him being a product of Steve Nash. He was actually playing better with the bobacts than he was with the Suns. Look up his stats. And I have watched a lot of Bobcat basketball. They were one of the few teams from the east who set picks for each other and actually ran an offense. He was key for them in terms of keeping ball movement going and setting screens (one of the best at setting screens). He can easily fit into our offense.

But I will have to say that I don't see how we have playing time for him. Unless he can get down to about 220-225. Which is possible but its going to take him a ton of work. i bet he is around 250 right now.
He needs to lose a ton of weight to play minutes at the 3 position. But in recent years he hasn't been asked to play the 3. But the Jazz would have to ask that of him to make this trade worth it. He can only play the 4 right now unless there is a slow 3 that he has to guard.
 
Bell and Diaw were teammates for a couple seasons in Phoenix weren't they? Then even with the Bobcats? Probably a ridiculous conspiracy theory but I wonder if he's been consulting in any o' this.
 
Time to alter your sig, Greg. The FO have made a decision you don't like whether it falls apart or not. I think it's going to happen, though.

This deal goes through and my sig will change. There is nothing showing that they have decided yet. Please god don't let it happen.
 
Your actually very wrong about him being a product of Steve Nash. He was actually playing better with the bobacts than he was with the Suns. Look up his stats. And I have watched a lot of Bobcat basketball. They were one of the few teams from the east who set picks for each other and actually ran an offense. He was key for them in terms of keeping ball movement going and setting screens (one of the best at setting screens). He can easily fit into our offense.

The Bobcats were one of the worst offenses in the league last season. Once you account for differences in minutes and pace, Diaw's stats were significantly worse last season than they were in 2005-2006.

05-06: 15.0 p/40, 7.8 r/40, 7.0 a/40, 52.6% FG, 30.5 assist rate, 11.5 TO rate, 10.8 rebound rate

09-10: 12.7 p/40, 5.8 r/40, 4.5 a/40, 48.3% FG, 24.2 assist rate, 13.3 TO rate, 8.8 rebound rate

So yes, I looked up his stats and your conclusion is wrong.

FWIW, AK outperformed Diaw in every one of thsoe metrics except for a/40 and assist rate.

This is why AK had a PER of 18.25 and Diaw had one of 12.8. That delta of 5.4 is massive. It's the difference between Deron Williams and Raymond Felton or between Carlos Boozer and Charlie Villanueva.

PER is largely a measure of offensive achievement. For those you saying that Diaw is an upgrade or even with AK on the offensive end, you're simply mistaken. He hasn't been that player in five years.

That I love AK is no secret. Last season I came home from work early and ordered league pass before a game against the Sixers only because it had been announced that Deron and Price wouldn't play and there was a legitimate chance that AK would play some point guard.

He is the only player on the team, including Fesenko and Williams, who could have gotten a LP subscription out of me singlehandedly. If we move him solely for money then it entirely undoes all the goodwill the Millers got for the Jefferson deal as it is obvious that the team is designed to be profitable over winning. For all the credit the Millers got last season for "opening their wallets" the reality is that the Jazz did not appear on the list of teams that lost money in 2008-2009 and are not expected to appear on that list of teams in 2009-2010.

If this is the way they plan on running the team they should just sell it. Let the Huntsmans buy it or whomever else could step up.

The factor you all have not discussed yet but which makes deferring salary (because that's what the deal really does, since Diaw has roughly as much in aggregate value remaining on his contract as AK does it pushes those payments into a future date) particularly dumb in this scenario is the spectre of a new CBA in 2011. It's entirely possible that having cleared $17 million could be amazingly advantageous for that offseason. It's far less likely that clearing only $8 million for that season will be as competitively advantageous. It is extremely difficult, from the perspective of next year, to imagine a scenario in which it is more advantageous under a new CBA to be carrying a $9 million figure into next year.

It's a bad deal in the short term and it's a bad deal in the long term. If this happens, don't be shocked if one of Greg's off-road vehicles has its brake lines mysteriously cut.
 
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Jazz can't take back too many contracts. They would have to cut someone or lose someone like Ryan Thompson.
 
AK's biggest problem(other than injury) has been a lack of energy and focus.
He simply doesn't play hard all the time. When he does he usually makes a big impact on the game.

After sitting through so many average years we deserve to get him when he'll actually be giving a max effort.
 
Your actually very wrong about him being a product of Steve Nash. He was actually playing better with the bobacts than he was with the Suns. Look up his stats. And I have watched a lot of Bobcat basketball. They were one of the few teams from the east who set picks for each other and actually ran an offense. He was key for them in terms of keeping ball movement going and setting screens (one of the best at setting screens). He can easily fit into our offense.

As sirkickyass pointed out, your statement is waaaaaaaay wrong.
 
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