Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

[Cappy_Smurf]

I am somebody who grew up with guns and consider myself well informed as to things like this, but I really had no idea that these bump stocks existed and that they essentially turn a semi-auto into a fully automatic weapon. In fact, the design of these things is so simple, that I found a video of a guy who was able to use his hands alone, without any devices, to get the same results with a handgun. It isn't easy, and you have to find a gun that fits your hand perfectly, but it's possible to fire a semi-auto pistol in a fashion that is exactly as if the gun was full auto.

The reason I post this is because now that the information is out there and the concept is simple, anyone who wants to figure out a way to modify a weapon to full auto will be able to do so without much trouble. I've also seen a video of a guy who melts down soda cans and then mills a receiver(main part of gun) and makes an AR-15 out of pop cans. People can also use a 3D printer to make a gun if they are determined enough. I think the internet and all the information available is a major issue for anyone who thinks it would be possible to outlaw guns completely.

FWIW, I am a gun owner who supports stricter gun control and consider the NRA to be a bunch of A-holes who have never and will never seen a single penny from me. Still, I don't see outlawing guns as a realistic solution to the problem we have in America.

[video=youtube_share;LM92AIK3AyU]https://youtu.be/LM92AIK3AyU

 

[DutchJazzer]

Doubling down

finding out the real cause(motives) reasons why this happens will do more than yelling "muh gun control" and banning guns like socialist regimes do

 

[DutchJazzer]

FUnny how normallyt the media scours for the motive. but the motive has not been found. while the shooter left a note in the hotel room!


we need the motive instead of a gun debate.

this is not a gun issue!

 

[DutchJazzer]

would you have a truck debate, or truck control debate. if a guy just drove into the concertgoers with a mack truck?

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

would you have a truck debate, or truck control debate. if a guy just drove into the concertgoers with a mack truck?

It's a stupid comparison, and there's no reason to go into why.

Regardless of what side you fall on, there is absolutely an issue with guns in this country. The NRA and their supporters are protecting the rights of those who make huge profits off of gun sales, at the cost of people being slaughtered needlessly. Getting rid of guns isn't the answer, but that doesn't mean there isn't a hell of a lot we could do as a society to make it harder for people to commit such acts.

It's kind of crazy that some people in this country consider this nutjob's access to firearms a right, and at the same time consider medical care for his victims to be a privilege and not a right.

I can guarantee anybody that if I was supporting a political party that thought that way, I would have to rethink my entire existence.

 

[Rubashov]

Do you have statistics to show that they have more people being burned or stabbed? What is your basis for that assertion?

Here are their crime statistics. They show that homicide rates continue to decline in Australia since the law change. They have been on a pretty steady decline every year since 1997. They also showed a huge drop in Suicides. Additionally they have had 0 mass shootings since the law change and way less mass killings since then.

http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/

Funnily enough most armoured van robberies are now done to steal the firearms off the security guards, they have a black market value of 30 to 40k each, the cash is a secondary consideration.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Funnily enough most armoured van robberies are now done to steal the firearms off the security guards, they have a black market value of 30 to 40k each, the cash is a secondary consideration.

Link

 

[Miggs]

FUnny how normallyt the media scours for the motive. but the motive has not been found. while the shooter left a note in the hotel room!


we need the motive instead of a gun debate.

this is not a gun issue!

I haven't heard this about the note. Link?

 

[Rubashov]

Link

No Link, part of my industry training. Cash in the van is normally pretty hard to get to, taking the weapons off the guys filling an ATM is much more lucrative. Again this is in Australia where owning hand guns is heavily regulated and rare, hence the black market value.

 

[fishonjazz]

would you have a truck debate, or truck control debate. if a guy just drove into the concertgoers with a mack truck?

Wow what a dumb post

 

[DutchJazzer]

I haven't heard this about the note. Link?

this is not 1999, this is 2017 google yourself! everybody knows how to google


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

this is not my original source as i seen it

dont know if you trust daily,mail. but multiple outlets released the pictures at the note can clearly be seen!


they have yet to release a motive!

 

[BTP]

"Gun show loophole" is a misnomer.

The "loophole" is that private party to private party sales do not require a background check. That's the loophole.

Any licensed gun dealer has to run background checks on all gun sales. At a gun show or anywhere else.

I'm aware that is the law. I'm also aware that people sale guns illegally quite often. I have bought multiple guns and own guns, I have never gone through a background check to buy one. My friend's dad owns multiple fully automatic guns. He converts many semi's but he has also purchased many through back channels and gun shows in Utah that are great place for making those contacts.

A rule that isn't enforced is in my opinion no rule.

Bah.

I'm working 80+ hours a week right now. Even if I wanted to (and I don't) I wouldn't have the time to plan something like this and execute it.

People just aren't happy. Money doesn't do it. The latest toys don't do it. Their spouse or families don't do it. They're searching, aren't finding, and they're angry. Nobody is content with what they have...which could be attributed partly to a hyper competitive mentality I guess, but I wouldn't go that far. I think people work harder because they think if they have more they'll be happier...and that never works.

What you describe are societal ripple effects in my opinion. If certain benchmarks were more tolerant, a wider spectrum, ppl wouldn't feel forced to prove themselves to others, but could rather explore what they'd do so they like themselves.
What I find likely from what I read is that even though he was well off financially, recognition of professional gamblers is basically zero unless you're really robbing everyone. By setting a record in terms of homicides in a single shootout, he could've filled the lack of purpose he may have perceived.
Anger is probably a thing too, but IMO it's a secondary factor. Anger has a root, the root as you said was probably unhappiness and instead of dealing with it himself or asking for help to discuss that, he's projected it towards others and this could've lead to his plan.

If society wants change it needs to change how it deals and portraits reward and punishment. tragedies are highlighted on a daily basis, seeing criticism and bad examples all the time really affects his you view reward. Media would need to switch the focus on finding really cool stories and displaying achievements instead of judging others for their behavior based on few facts and circumstances.