LDS Church fined for contributions to Prop 8!! HA!

[Darkwing Duck]

Just to let you know, I'm probably the resident shorty.

5'5" to let y'all know.

I'd still probably kick all y'alls *** in basketball, though.

 

[TroutBum]

Just to let you know, I'm probably the resident shorty.

5'5" to let y'all know.

I'd still probably kick all y'alls *** in basketball, though.

Sean Reynolds, is that you?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Uh, no? Is he that height, as well?

 

[bigb]

Just to let you know, I'm probably the resident shorty.

5'5" to let y'all know.

I'd still probably kick all y'alls *** in basketball, though.

After seeing a few of us play, that's not much to brag about.

 

[One Brow]

This thread, and countless others like it, has gone on for HOW long? How many people have changed their minds because of it? I count a grand total of zero.

I was unaware that changing people's minds was the primary benefit of such discussions.

 

[colton]

I was unaware that changing people's minds was the primary benefit of such discussions.

You missed my point... which was that if threads like this don't change people's minds, I really doubt that advertising campaigns do. Now, GlassEater did have a valid comment about advertising campaigns helping to get out the vote

 

[Lucifer]

This is another reason why my way is the correct way. PM me for details.

 

[colton]

Apparently I'm awesome. From yesterday's SF Chronicle:

https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/15/MN051DVGNE.DTL

Prop. 8 spending found to have swayed no voters
John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer

The warring sides in the 2008 battle over same-sex marriage in California may have spent a combined $83 million for nothing, according to an academic study released Tuesday.

The study by Patrick Egan of New York University looked at polling on gay marriage and domestic partner elections in 33 states since 1998 and found that no minds were changed despite millions in spending, hard-hitting advertising such as the much-quoted "like it or not" TV spot with San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, and emotional pleas from both sides.

By election day, voters who opposed same-sex marriage before the campaign still opposed it, and those who backed it continued to back it.

*snip*

...the survey did make an important point, added Maggie Gallagher, the group's chair.

"Most Americans know what they think about marriage," she said. "This study confirms that, in spite of a now almost 10-year campaign to get them to change their minds."

 

[Stifle Tower]

I like pizza. But if I live to be a thousand years old, I'm never going to like pizza with mushrooms on it. It's not emotional, intellectual, or spiritual. I can't explain the science of it, but I know I don't like it, and I'll never like it. That said, I've seen people eat mushroom pizza and really like it. I have friends who like it. And I fully respect their right to eat, and like, pizza with mushrooms on it. But even now, whenever I see someone eat pizza with mushrooms on it, I can't for the life of me understand how they like it. We're just not the same. Except for the fact we both like pizza.

Maybe the better analogy would be to say pizza with anchovies.

 

[Stifle Tower]

My last physical measured me at 5'11." That seemed a little high to me. My drivers license says I'm 5'10." I really don't care, but he's said it enough times now that I'm more confused than anything.

Is that with or without shoes?
What really matters is your wing span. It's o.k. to be 5'10" if you've got arms like a gorilla.

 

[moevillini]

By election day, voters who opposed same-sex marriage before the campaign still opposed it, and those who backed it continued to back it.

Read more: https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/15/MN051DVGNE.DTL#ixzz0r22U7zXq

doesn't say anything about the voters who are/were undecided, perhaps some of them were swayed one way or the other?

fyi, there are results from a number of recent polls posted here:
https://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

here's one example, showing yearly polls from 2006-2010 - not a wide variation, but some changes over time

 

[Gameface]

One thing to keep in mind is that when you're having a debate with someone it's safe to assume they have already formed a strong, at least somewhat informed, opinion on the matter. They aren't likely to be swayed by a debate like this or by an ad campaign. But there are a lot of uninformed and undecided people out there. People have a basic desire to fit in. They're likely to go with whatever side gets to them first. An ad camping IS going to have an effect on the way they vote and if they show up to vote.