Legal marijuana - good or bad? Any personal experience?

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Infection, you're a pretty smart guy but you're brainwashed and totally oblivious to the truth about marijuana: https://thesacredplant.com/

You think that's a reputable source? MJ cures cancer? Give me a break.

 

[Getting Traded]

You think that's a reputable source? MJ cures cancer? Give me a break.

Watch the series. No it doesn't say it "cures" cancer. There is no easy cure for cancer. But it does work with the endocannabinoid system in our bodies to affect healing in many ways. In fact, the endocannabinoid system was only discovered in the last couple of decades. Watch some of the documentaries and then make up your mind. I really was shocked at some of the things that were presented, and the information is fact-based, on clinical studies.

 

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Watch the series. No it doesn't say it "cures" cancer. There is no easy cure for cancer. But it does work with the endocannabinoid system in our bodies to affect healing in many ways. In fact, the endocannabinoid system was only discovered in the last couple of decades. Watch some of the documentaries and then make up your mind. I really was shocked at some of the things that were presented, and the information is fact-based, on clinical studies.

I'm nor much of an online video watcher
I have a strong preference for reading information.

 

[fishonjazz]

Read an article yesterday talking about how teen use went down in Oregon ever since it was legalized. Not surprised by that at all. I figured that is what would happen and always touted that as one of the reasons it should be legalized.

 

[Gameface]

Read an article yesterday talking about how teen use went down in Oregon ever since it was legalized. Not surprised by that at all. I figured that is what would happen and always touted that as one of the reasons it should be legalized.

I posted some links earlier in this thread that showed similar results in Colorado.

 

[Getting Traded]

I'm nor much of an online video watcher
I have a strong preference for reading information.

There are numerous written materials related to this, and some of this was cited in the doc. I actually only watched a couple, but like I said, the information was quite surprising to me, who has long been an advocate of legalization. It's kind of like all the religious prohibitions of sex before marriage that you're brought up with, and then you read the book, The Brain in Love, by Amen, and learn, based on many clinical studies, that celibacy is actually harmful to your health.

 

[infection]

Infection, you're a pretty smart guy but you're brainwashed and totally oblivious to the truth about marijuana: https://thesacredplant.com/

Thanks, but I’m decently versed with marijuana, and specifically within my specialty of medicine. I haven’t read much of the thread since I last posted and I’ll have to take some time to come back to it, but the problem we’re running into here is a false dichotomy that has been reinforced heavily in society. This has been turned in to a black and white issue of “marijuana good — opposition bad.” In reality, it’s a hell of a lot more nuanced than that, but because it’s been overcome with such a pop-culture truism, any statements that appear a shade of grey are forced to fit into a black and white perspective, hence why anyone hearing people may have different angles on the issue creates a knee-jerk reaction with assumptions that one must be an ignorant rube, and hasn’t been exposed to enough google search.

 

[Getting Traded]

Thanks, but I’m decently versed with marijuana, and specifically within my specialty of medicine. I haven’t read much of the thread since I last posted and I’ll have to take some time to come back to it, but the problem we’re running into here is a false dichotomy that has been reinforced heavily in society. This has been turned in to a black and white issue of “marijuana good — opposition bad.” In reality, it’s a hell of a lot more nuanced than that, but because it’s been overcome with such a pop-culture truism, any statements that appear a shade of grey are forced to fit into a black and white perspective, hence why anyone hearing people may have different angles on the issue creates a knee-jerk reaction with assumptions that one must be an ignorant rube, and hasn’t been exposed to enough google search.

I know it's not a black and white issue, but the public conception of "marijuana" is totally false because of the politics involved. To be honest, I always thought that marijuana was simply a harmless drug, so long as it wasn't abused, i.e., used on a social basis, and much less harmful than alcohol abuse. Now I've learned that is not the case, that it is actually very beneficial for a number of health problems, and in some cases, as an antidote to pain, problem the best medicine. The doc series was enlightening for me.

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/02/health/medical-cannabis-law-opioid-prescription-study/index.html

Marijuana legalization could help offset opioid epidemic, studies find

The studies, published Monday in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, compared opioid prescription patterns in states that have enacted medical cannabis laws with those that have not. One of the studies looked at opioid prescriptions covered by Medicare Part D between 2010 and 2015, while the other looked at opioid prescriptions covered by Medicaid between 2011 and 2016.
The researchers found that states that allow the use of cannabis for medical purposes had 2.21 million fewer daily doses of opioids prescribed per year under Medicare Part D, compared with those states without medical cannabis laws. Opioid prescriptions under Medicaid also dropped by 5.88% in states with medical cannabis laws compared with states without such laws, according to the studies.

 

[infection]

I know it's not a black and white issue, but the public conception of "marijuana" is totally false because of the politics involved. To be honest, I always thought that marijuana was simply a harmless drug, so long as it wasn't abused, i.e., used on a social basis, and much less harmful than alcohol abuse. Now I've learned that is not the case, that it is actually very beneficial for a number of health problems, and in some cases, as an antidote to pain, problem the best medicine. The doc series was enlightening for me.

You're still approaching this from an expectation that I'm taking a political or moral stance on it. There's no meaningful discussion on marijuana because it's quickly hijacked by people taking a moral stance against it or people (who aren't otherwise familiar with medical literature) taking a medical stance on it. You literally can't have a discussion because everyone brings societal baggage to the conversation.

e.g. when was the last time you heard someone extolling the healing properties of ginkgo biloba?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/02/health/medical-cannabis-law-opioid-prescription-study/index.html

Marijuana legalization could help offset opioid epidemic, studies find

Thanks for the link. To my knowledge it's the only thing addressing the issue we discussed earlier. Some challenges inherent in the methodology, however, as there's been a huge push over the past few years regarding opioids and most physicians have looked for reasons to reduce these. If anyone is using marijuana, it's a pretty easy way to start reducing/stopping their controlled substances. Overall, they're showing that there was an 8% reduction (in Medicare, 6% in Medicaid) in opioid prescriptions filled from states that have any medical marijuana legislation, and how that translates into individuals is unclear.

 

[Gameface]

You're still approaching this from an expectation that I'm taking a political or moral stance on it. There's no meaningful discussion on marijuana because it's quickly hijacked by people taking a moral stance against it or people (who aren't otherwise familiar with medical literature) taking a medical stance on it. You literally can't have a discussion because everyone brings societal baggage to the conversation.

e.g. when was the last time you heard someone extolling the healing properties of ginkgo biloba?


Thanks for the link. To my knowledge it's the only thing addressing the issue we discussed earlier. Some challenges inherent in the methodology, however, as there's been a huge push over the past few years regarding opioids and most physicians have looked for reasons to reduce these. If anyone is using marijuana, it's a pretty easy way to start reducing/stopping their controlled substances. Overall, they're showing that there was an 8% reduction (in Medicare, 6% in Medicaid) in opioid prescriptions filled from states that have any medical marijuana legislation, and how that translates into individuals is unclear.

Was it not you who questioned the possibility that "medical" marijuana could reduce opioid use. That's a single question that seems to have an objective answer.

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves calling it "medical marijuana" but don't mind that doing so helps get people access to legal marijuana. To be medical I think it needs to go through the process that all medicine in the U.S. goes through. I hope that happens.

 

[Getting Traded]

Was it not you who questioned the possibility that "medical" marijuana could reduce opioid use. That's a single question that seems to have an objective answer.

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves calling it "medical marijuana" but don't mind that doing so helps get people access to legal marijuana. To be medical I think it needs to go through the process that all medicine in the U.S. goes through. I hope that happens.

There have been many studies showing its efficacy, but as Infection says, the politics of it has prevented acceptance by the medical community.