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I like Locke. His analysis is solid and often sheds new light or a new way to think about the game. I have lived in 5 NBA markets and he is one of the best IMO. Not crazy about his play by play but it works. I don't get how anyone thinks he is just saying what the Jazz FO wants him to say. I have heard him question personnel moves as well as coaching decisions on multiple occasions.
 
The Larry H. Miller Group owns 1280 The Zone sports radio too, so they pay salaries to Gordon Monson, David James, Hans Olsen, Scott Girard, Patrick Kinnehan, Tony Parks, Spence Checketts and a whole lot more (in addition to David Locke). Craig Bolderjack and Matt Harpring are also paid by the Miller Group. I think it's worthwhile to note all of that, but until I see evidence to the contrary I'm comfortable with the assumption that these guys are all professional journalists who have not signed away their rights to tell the truth just because they are receiving a paycheck. BTW, I think some of the previously mentioned people are excellent at what they do... and I think some of them suck.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The Larry H. Miller Group owns 1280 The Zone sports radio too, so they pay salaries to Gordon Monson, David James, Hans Olsen, Scott Girard, Patrick Kinnehan, Tony Parks, Spence Checketts and a whole lot more (in addition to David Locke). Craig Bolderjack and Matt Harpring are also paid by the Miller Group. I think it's worthwhile to note all of that, but until I see evidence to the contrary I'm comfortable with the assumption that these guys are all professional journalists who have not signed away their rights to tell the truth just because they are receiving a paycheck. BTW, I think some of the previously mentioned people are excellent at what they do... and I think some of them suck.
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HOLY **** THE JAZZ ARE CONTROLLING EVERYTHING I DONTK NOW WHAT TO BELEIVE ANYMORE!!!
 
ONE LOVE said:
Are you saying the injured Exum counts towards the 15 man squad? I don't get that 4 PGs on the roster thing.
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Yes, there is no roster exception for Exum. So really semantics. If Cotton is cut, the Jazz have 3 PG's, but only two healthy ones. A huge risk considering Neto has ZERO experience in the NBA and ZERO experience running the Jazz' offense. I don't see why they would cut Cotton unless they bring in another PG. If Burke or Neto go down, they'll need to pick up a PG, at which time someone else would need to be released. Cotton is the best they could ever hope to get from the DLeague and they already have him on the roster.

But, perhaps they do consider Burks as an emergency 3rd PG. And there's someone else they keep who they think has more upside and they want to protect (like Graham).
 
Hack said:
I think as dumb as Cy is, he got lucky and came to the right conclusion on this One Love.

Locke does suck though. I could maybe appreciate his work if he just wasn't so unbearable to listen too. His speech patterns drive me nuts. He'll be talking about something and then pause, and then go in a completely different direction. Then pause 40 times more. Practically stuttering every word. He never finishes a sentence. He relies way too much on his own weird statistical formulas. He breathes heavy into the phone in interviews. There is no flow or easy listening to him. He just weird.
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At least he's intelligent and tries to stick to something basketball related. Bolerjack and Harpring are often more concerned about trying to be clever with each other than the actual game. Boone may be the best we have...if only he could articulate better. :eek:
 
What if you keep 4 PG's.

Then you have Favors, Rudy, Booker, Lyles, and Pleiss. They will probably keep Withey too. That is 6 bigs.

Then you only have 5 wings. What if a wing goes down? What if you keep 5 bigs and 6 wings, what is a big goes down?

You can have the "what if" someone else gets injured for every position, especially if you keep 4 PG', none of which can play any other position.
 
Oh, I hurt Cy's little feelings as he told me to "shut up" in a neg rep comment. I thought the purpose of a board was to voice our opinions. I've lived in other media markets, including the biggest in both LA and NY. Independent journalists are much more vocal with their opinions in other cities. Locke is a company man. He has to be. Just like any of us cannot openly criticize our employers in public media or we'll find ourselves either unemployed, reprimanded or facing other repercussions. So yes, I DO believe Locke has to temper his opinions if they run contrary to the company line.

As for the post above, yes, you are correct CY. If you keep 6 and 5, whichever way you slice the bigs/wings, you do run the risk of being undermanned. However:

1. With the bigs, Pleiss has never played in the NBA and Lyles is incredibly raw, even for a rookie. We saw that in SL. So I think you have to take that into consideration.

2. With the wings, if they go with 5 and the fifth is Millsap or Johnson, ALL five have played considerable time in the league.

3. Be honest about the phrase "keep 4 PG's." One of those four is unlikely to see the court this season. If he does, it will be late in the season for very short periods of time.

Essentially, the Jazz have 14 roster spots and one player on "injured reserve" who will count against the roster limit even though he can't play. Of the other three PG's on the roster, one has never played in the league, one was a late addition from the DLeague last season and the third hasn't yet shown he can shoot at the NBA level. Strike that, he can shoot - and certainly does at an ALARMING rate - he just hasn't shown he can "make" at an acceptable level.

And yes, I'm posting my opinions and won't "shut up." Last I checked, I paid to be a premium member and am allowed to do so, even IF an ******* like you thinks otherwise.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Oh, I hurt Cy's little feelings as he told me to "shut up" in a neg rep comment. I thought the purpose of a board was to voice our opinions. I've lived in other media markets, including the biggest in both LA and NY. Independent journalists are much more vocal with their opinions in other cities. Locke is a company man. He has to be. Just like any of us cannot openly criticize our employers in public media or we'll find ourselves either unemployed, reprimanded or facing other repercussions. So yes, I DO believe Locke has to temper his opinions if they run contrary to the company line.

As for the post above, yes, you are correct CY. If you keep 6 and 5, whichever way you slice the bigs/wings, you do run the risk of being undermanned. However:

1. With the bigs, Pleiss has never played in the NBA and Lyles is incredibly raw, even for a rookie. We saw that in SL. So I think you have to take that into consideration.

2. With the wings, if they go with 5 and the fifth is Millsap or Johnson, ALL five have played considerable time in the league.

3. Be honest about the phrase "keep 4 PG's." One of those four is unlikely to see the court this season. If he does, it will be late in the season for very short periods of time.

Essentially, the Jazz have 14 roster spots and one player on "injured reserve" who will count against the roster limit even though he can't play. Of the other three PG's on the roster, one has never played in the league, one was a late addition from the DLeague last season and the third hasn't yet shown he can shoot at the NBA level. Strike that, he can shoot - and certainly does at an ALARMING rate - he just hasn't shown he can "make" at an acceptable level.

And yes, I'm posting my opinions and won't "shut up." Last I checked, I paid to be a premium member and am allowed to do so, even IF an ******* like you thinks otherwise.
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Yes opinions. Consiparcy theorist who believe in JFK assassination conspiracy also have opinions, but they are retarded just like your's.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Oh, I hurt Cy's little feelings as he told me to "shut up" in a neg rep comment. I thought the purpose of a board was to voice our opinions. I've lived in other media markets, including the biggest in both LA and NY. Independent journalists are much more vocal with their opinions in other cities. Locke is a company man. He has to be. Just like any of us cannot openly criticize our employers in public media or we'll find ourselves either unemployed, reprimanded or facing other repercussions. So yes, I DO believe Locke has to temper his opinions if they run contrary to the company line.

As for the post above, yes, you are correct CY. If you keep 6 and 5, whichever way you slice the bigs/wings, you do run the risk of being undermanned. However:

1. With the bigs, Pleiss has never played in the NBA and Lyles is incredibly raw, even for a rookie. We saw that in SL. So I think you have to take that into consideration.

2. With the wings, if they go with 5 and the fifth is Millsap or Johnson, ALL five have played considerable time in the league.

3. Be honest about the phrase "keep 4 PG's." One of those four is unlikely to see the court this season. If he does, it will be late in the season for very short periods of time.

Essentially, the Jazz have 14 roster spots and one player on "injured reserve" who will count against the roster limit even though he can't play. Of the other three PG's on the roster, one has never played in the league, one was a late addition from the DLeague last season and the third hasn't yet shown he can shoot at the NBA level. Strike that, he can shoot - and certainly does at an ALARMING rate - he just hasn't shown he can "make" at an acceptable level.

And yes, I'm posting my opinions and won't "shut up." Last I checked, I paid to be a premium member and am allowed to do so, even IF an ******* like you thinks otherwise.
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When have the Jazz under Snyder cared about experience? We started a rookie last year who could literally get to the FT line like once every 20 games. Relying on Neto, who has years of pro experience, is way less risky than what we did last year having Exum and Burke. We actually have more experience going into the season at PG this year than we did last year.
 
Cy said:
What if you keep 4 PG's.

Then you have Favors, Rudy, Booker, Lyles, and Pleiss. They will probably keep Withey too. That is 6 bigs.

Then you only have 5 wings. What if a wing goes down? What if you keep 5 bigs and 6 wings, what is a big goes down?

You can have the "what if" someone else gets injured for every position, especially if you keep 4 PG', none of which can play any other position.
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Jesus.


If we keep 14 guys, here's the flexibility we have.


The 1: Burke-Cotton-Neto-Exum (Excluding Exum, that's three healthy guys who can truly play the pg position--how many times in the last 10 years have we had less than three?)

The 2: Burks-Millsap-Hayward-Hood-Ingles (That's five guys who can truly play the sg spot. The latter three can also play the 3.)

The 3. Hayward-Hood-Ingles-Lyles (That's three guys who can definitely play the three and a fourth in Lyles who maybe can in some spots.)

Seeing how we are to this point, I think our depth and roster flexibility is about perfect.

The 4. Favors-Booker-Lyles (That's two guys who can definitely play the pf position right now and a third who should be able to play in 4-6 minute spurts with a decent cast around him in a few months if we need him to.

The 5. Gobert-Favors-Pleiss (We're kidding ourselves if we don't think Favors should play a lot of time at the 5 when Gobert sits.)

So it appears we're a little thin with the bigs maybe. I would've loved Antic (I think that's the guy's name from the Hawks who signed overseas) as he could play the 4 and 5 and stretch the floor but alas, he's on another continent. Withey would probably make the most sense but then that ties up 15 spots thus leaving us with less flexibility in trades and signings. We'll see how things play out the next two months but right now, I'm not worried. Maybe a tiny bit at the 5, but no team has a perfect roster and right now, overall, I really like the way we're constructed.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Jesus.


If we keep 14 guys, here's the flexibility we have.


The 1: Burke-Cotton-Neto-Exum (Excluding Exum, that's three healthy guys who can truly play the pg position--how many times in the last 10 years have we had less than three?)

The 2: Burks-Millsap-Hayward-Hood-Ingles (That's five guys who can truly play the sg spot. The latter three can also play the 3.)

The 3. Hayward-Hood-Ingles-Lyles (That's three guys who can definitely play the three and a fourth in Lyles who maybe can in some spots.)

Seeing how we are to this point, I think our depth and roster flexibility is about perfect.

The 4. Favors-Booker-Lyles (That's two guys who can definitely play the pf position right now and a third who should be able to play in 4-6 minute spurts with a decent cast around him in a few months if we need him to.

The 5. Gobert-Favors-Pleiss (We're kidding ourselves if we don't think Favors should play a lot of time at the 5 when Gobert sits.)

So it appears we're a little thin with the bigs maybe. I would've loved Antic (I think that's the guy's name from the Hawks who signed overseas) as he could play the 4 and 5 and stretch the floor but alas, he's on another continent. Withey would probably make the most sense but then that ties up 15 spots thus leaving us with less flexibility in trades and signings. We'll see how things play out the next two months but right now, I'm not worried. Maybe a tiny bit at the 5, but no team has a perfect roster and right now, overall, I really like the way we're constructed.
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The strength of our team is interior defense. If Gobert goes out we have no one to man the middle, which is why keeping Withey makes more sense than Cotton. PG isn't our strength. Literally 90% of the year last year we would have been better off playing anyone at PG who wasn't an actual PG.
 
Cy said:
The strength of our team is interior defense. If Gobert goes out we have no one to man the middle, which is why keeping Withey makes more sense than Cotton. PG isn't our strength. Literally 90% of the year last year we would have been better off playing anyone at PG who wasn't an actual PG.
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First, if Gobert goes down, we're ****ed anyway and Withey isn't gonna save us. Secondly, I acknowledged that we're probably thinnest at the 5 and that Withey would probably make sense if we decide to keep 15. But if it is 14, Cotton is more important than Withey in my estimation. Keeping two true point guards, the second of whom has no NBA experience is pretty much flat out dumb. At least when Gobert sits or if he gets hurt, we have Favors as a legit option behind him, whether he hates playing there or not.
 
Cy said:
What if you keep 4 PG's.

Then you have Favors, Rudy, Booker, Lyles, and Pleiss. They will probably keep Withey too. That is 6 bigs.

Then you only have 5 wings. What if a wing goes down? What if you keep 5 bigs and 6 wings, what is a big goes down?

You can have the "what if" someone else gets injured for every position, especially if you keep 4 PG', none of which can play any other position.
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If a wing goes down then could they just get rid of a big or a point guard?

The difference in your hypothetical (a big or wing getting hurt) and the actual situation is that we already have an injured point guard.

Jazz will keep cotton if they don't acquire a different pg
 
Cy said:
When have the Jazz under Snyder cared about experience? We started a rookie last year who could literally get to the FT line like once every 20 games. Relying on Neto, who has years of pro experience, is way less risky than what we did last year having Exum and Burke. We actually have more experience going into the season at PG this year than we did last year.
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I think the expectations have changed just a bit. Jazz were not pushing for the playoffs last year. Neto has years of pro experience in Europe: totally different. He's also NEVER shown he can be a reliable shooter, particularly from 3PT range. Same can be said about Burke: he hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent 3PT threat. Pretty sure Quin's system emphasizes "3&D" players.

And we don't exactly have any gunners at the 2,3 or 4 with the exception of Hood. Hayward and Burks are adequate, not great. Booker showed some promise last season but was still under 35%. I think it's pretty obvious we need a PG with range to be successful.

And I'm not arguing Cotton - or Neto - is the answer. I think Bryce has at least shown he can be effective as a backup while Raul has played exactly 0 minutes in the NBA. I'm all for cutting one of them in favor of a veteran PG if/when we get that guy. And I'm all for cutting one of them if/when Exum comes back. Most teams have three PG's on their roster - or two + a combo guard.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I think the expectations have changed just a bit. Jazz were not pushing for the playoffs last year. Neto has years of pro experience in Europe: totally different. He's also NEVER shown he can be a reliable shooter, particularly from 3PT range. Same can be said about Burke: he hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent 3PT threat. Pretty sure Quin's system emphasizes "3&D" players.

And we don't exactly have any gunners at the 2,3 or 4 with the exception of Hood. Hayward and Burks are adequate, not great. Booker showed some promise last season but was still under 35%. I think it's pretty obvious we need a PG with range to be successful.

And I'm not arguing Cotton - or Neto - is the answer. I think Bryce has at least shown he can be effective as a backup while Raul has played exactly 0 minutes in the NBA. I'm all for cutting one of them in favor of a veteran PG if/when we get that guy. And I'm all for cutting one of them if/when Exum comes back. Most teams have three PG's on their roster - or two + a combo guard.
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We will see.
 
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