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People who need people are the luckiest people in the world.

c'mon. That idea was ruined by the celebrity who sang the song. There's always a context for any good, short truth, and somehow millionaire hollywood celebrities who are just clueless about world politics don't make the right context, no matter how the pipes work.

cows that need cows are also the luckiest cows. . . . herd instincts in that context do improve survival rates. . . .

Jazzfans who don't talk about their griefs with other Jazzfans are just gonna have some real problems coping with it all. . . .

but after squawking a bit, I just know you're right the way you're thinking of it.
 
c'mon. That idea was ruined by the celebrity who sang the song. There's always a context for any good, short truth, and somehow millionaire hollywood celebrities who are just clueless about world politics don't make the right context, no matter how the pipes work.

cows that need cows are also the luckiest cows. . . . herd instincts in that context do improve survival rates. . . .

Jazzfans who don't talk about their griefs with other Jazzfans are just gonna have some real problems coping with it all. . . .

but after squawking a bit, I just know you're right the way you're thinking of it.

Not a Streisand fan, babe?
 
Not a Streisand fan, babe?

Once upon a time I had a really nice girl and a real future. . . . . until she insisted on seeing her favorite movie "The Way We Were", a sentimental slush job on some commie revolutionaries, in their own minds, who were actually living off their indulgent rich parents while talking rot about "the system".

When I saw her with tears in her eyes, even though she was sniffling on my sleeve, I was just done with her.
 
Once upon a time I had a really nice girl and a real future. . . . . until she insisted on seeing her favorite movie "The Way We Were", a sentimental slush job on some commie revolutionaries, in their own minds, who were actually living off their indulgent rich parents while talking rot about "the system".

When I saw her with tears in her eyes, even though she was sniffling on my sleeve, I was just done with her.

Lolz. Movie and music taste are a big deal to me as well because I believe they show a lot about personality and intelligence.
 
Lolz. Movie and music taste are a big deal to me as well because I believe they show a lot about personality and intelligence.


thanks for stopping by. you're right, of course.

it goes more to sentimentality than to reason, sometimes. . . .but most people live in their sentiments more than their reason. . . . .
 
Lolz. Movie and music taste are a big deal to me as well because I believe they show a lot about personality and intelligence.

I loved Gosford Park.. Lost in Translation.. The Birds.. Breakfast at Tiffany's...

What does that say about me?
 
Really?? You're a girl??

You're not gay :confused:

Just kidding

But on the subject of those movies, I recommended Lost in Translation the other day. The person watched it and didn't like it because she 'didn't get it' and 'it was boring.' Not sure I want to speak to that person again.
 
You're not gay :confused:

Just kidding

But on the subject of those movies, I recommended Lost in Translation the other day. The person watched it and didn't like it because she 'didn't get it' and 'it was boring.' Not sure I want to speak to that person again.

Yeah it's hard recommending a movie.. so many different tastes out there... wished j-f was still here.. she loves movies.. :)
 
Question about the turk protests . . . and the civil war in Egypt.

How many people are just talking about human rights?

Muslim Brothehood leadership is not about human rights.

Sorry babe, I didn't noticed this post.

For Turkish protests, it often gets compared with Arab Spring and alike protests but it's entirely different. In those countries that had Arab Spring waves at particular scales, the people were fighting for much more basic, much more fundamental rights and they had to have much more tragic battles because of the nature of their current governments/states. Turkish protests are a result of people starting to realize that their freedoms and personal preferences/differences are about to be taken back slowly by the current government.

In Turkey, we had everything that those Middle Eastern people had have to fight and still fighting for, by default from the establishment of the Republic for about 80 years. Women's suffrage, for example, even before French and Italian women, Turkish women had it thanks to the Republic and Ataturk. We even had a woman prime minister(she was god-awful). People got to live in a secular state that regulated by laws which based on modern European laws of the time.

There had been many problems of course, like a few military coups, inner political conflicts, economic crises, minor wars, ethnic problems etc but at the end of the day, Turkish people enjoyed a superior freedom and a state that offers much better opportunities for a better life in comparison with their middle eastern neighbors. Actually that was the very reason that my family immigrated here from Turkmenistan, the better life opportunities.

However in these recent years that just when our people want to advance in every positive thing with the freedom, democracy, science and education being first, for a brighter future and to put our mediocre past finally behind and become one of the most advanced countries in the world, this idiot wannabe-dictator guy named Erdoğan came in to play. He happened to be the luckiest politician as he got a chance to play his religion card supported by Gulen sect(Kanter's new cult), just after the falling down of a horrible and unsuccessful government that caused big economic crisis.

Erdoğan implemented an economic plan of an Albanian Turk named Kemal Derviş, a genius of economics working with IMF, who was actually brought by the fallen government to fix the crisis. His program worked well, pull the economy up and brought fiscal discipline, reduced inflation and swayed up the banks with strict regulations. But Erdoğan and his party took all the credit of this economic improvement. With this momentum he won the next elections in 2007 and this time he started to sell the most valuable public assets, biggest public companies to the foreign riches under economical privatization lies. Many valuable assets have gone for ridiculously cheap prices. He even sold the strategic assets like harbors, communication companies with its whole infrastructures, valuable mines etc. With all this selling and the global hot money that investors pouring into Turkey for the high interest rates, he created an illusion of a blooming Turkish economy and won the elections third time in 2011. His handout packages(included some coal and rice etc) that he delivered to the poor people was another trick to get votes.

I was one of the idiots among the 49% who voted for him in 2011(it was my first vote and I surely wasted it). But the more I got into politics, economics and actuals of my country, I started to realize his game. And in his third term, he started to show his real face and began to act like a real fascist. He has this outdated idea as his big dream, to bring back the Ottoman influence to the ME and being the dominant leader of the Islamic countries. He sees himself as his so called ancestors of Ottoman Sultans. He acts like a Sultan, talks like a Sultan, doesn't care about anybodies' opinion. He doesn't even have intra-party democracy, he collected people who are total cringings around himself and thinks he can do whatever he wants to do just because he won the election, he doesn't realize the fact that we didn't vote for a freaking Sultan.

There are too many bads of him and his ruling government, I can't even organize them in my head and put them into the post, but let me serialize it briefly. He is an arrogant and conceited douchebag who thinks he's an emperor, he probably thinks he is a chosen one by GOD just like Bush did think. He hates different opinions, life styles, different beliefs, freedom of speech, freedom of anything. He likes to give order to everyone, including even Twitter, Youtube and Facebook. He and his sons made fortunes over Turkish citizens. He is the definition of hypocritical because he has turned 180 degrees on many matters time after time, especially his pre-PM life is entirely different. He is outright a liar most of the time. He did his best to go Iraqi war along with USA army(thank God Turkish people didn't let him). Now he's doing the same thing against Syria, for short he is a warmonger. Now thanks to his foreign politics our all neighbors hate us. He set against the military and tried to detract the image of the army on the eyes of the citizens, just for his goals(Turkish Army is absolute pro-secular). He convicted generals and many other high ranked officers for heavy verdicts like aggravated life sentences, obviously through a non-impartial judicial process. He slowly built up a huge pro-government police force which is highly violent and brutal. He controls the media and press. He controls rich guys of the country by making them richer and more richer. I can go on and on, but I fear for my *** because this guy and his government can't even stand people declaring their ideas on the internet. Countless citizens got taken into custody because of their tweets, online messages, videos and all.

Anyway, briefly, Turkish protests are just Turkish people realizing that the things they had by default are starting to slip away slowly, one by one. Protests aren't belonging to one major political group, it belongs to everyone that doesn't want to give up their freedoms. There are religious people, non-religious people, Armenian/Kurdish/other ethnic groups, LGBT groups, students, retired people, working class, artists, war veterans, children and oldies, Kemalists, nationalists and even bourgeois among the protesters.

Even I was gonna be in it if it wasn't for my father, he didn't want me to get into it.

Anyway here in this video, by the early times of protests, Cenk explains very well the attitude of PM Erdoğan. If you want to know about the protests more, you can just google "Taksim protest" or "Gezi Parki" or "Turkish protest" etc. You will see how the protests were/are widespread, creative, interesting and peaceful(at the beginning at least).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RJklNZv96M
 
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I see you sometimes hold forth in Turkish or whatever you call it. . . . and the sentence structure looks like a pretty complex sort of expression. I suppose if I wanted to read it I could get a translation ap or something, maybe even just conveniently click some button or another. . . . or google some tutorial Turk site. Are there very many Turks coming into JazzFanz reading this site??? I mean, do you have a following of sorts to serve using your language?

We gather at night to rip off little kittens' spine and smoke their thrombosis flavored dried ears through Hello Kitty pipes.
 
Sorry babe, I didn't noticed this post.

For Turkish protests, it often gets compared with Arab Spring and alike protests but it's entirely different. In those countries that had Arab Spring waves at particular scales, the people were fighting for much more basic, much more fundamental rights and they had to have much more tragic battles because of the nature of their current governments/states. Turkish protests are a result of people starting to realize that their freedoms and personal preferences/differences are about to be taken back slowly by the current government.

In Turkey, we had everything that those Middle Eastern people had have to fight and still fighting for, by default from the establishment of the Republic for about 80 years. Women's suffrage, for example, even before French and Italian women, Turkish women had it thanks to the Republic and Ataturk. We even had a woman prime minister(she was god-awful). People got to live in a secular state that regulated by laws which based on modern European laws of the time.

There had been many problems of course, like a few military coups, inner political conflicts, economic crises, minor wars, ethnic problems etc but at the end of the day, Turkish people enjoyed a superior freedom and a state that offers much better opportunities for a better life in comparison with their middle eastern neighbors. Actually that was the very reason that my family immigrated here from Turkmenistan, the better life opportunities.

However in these recent years that just when our people want to advance in every positive thing with the freedom, democracy, science and education being first, for a brighter future and to put our mediocre past finally behind and become one of the most advanced countries in the world, this idiot wannabe-dictator guy named Erdoğan came in to play. He happened to be the luckiest politician as he got a chance to play his religion card supported by Gulen sect(Kanter's new cult), just after the falling down of a horrible and unsuccessful government that caused big economic crisis.

Erdoğan implemented an economic plan of an Albanian Turk named Kemal Derviş, a genius of economics working with IMF, who was actually brought by the fallen government to fix the crisis. His program worked well, pull the economy up and brought fiscal discipline, reduced inflation and swayed up the banks with strict regulations. But Erdoğan and his party took all the credit of this economic improvement. With this momentum he won the next elections in 2007 and this time he started to sell the most valuable public assets, biggest public companies to the foreign riches under economical privatization lies. Many valuable assets have gone for ridiculously cheap prices. He even sold the strategic assets like harbors, communication companies with its whole infrastructures, valuable mines etc. With all this selling and the global hot money that investors pouring into Turkey for the high interest rates, he created an illusion of a blooming Turkish economy and won the elections third time in 2011. His handout packages(included some coal and rice etc) that he delivered to the poor people was another trick to get votes.

I was one of the idiots among the 49% who voted for him in 2011(it was my first vote and I surely wasted it). But the more I got into politics, economics and actuals of my country, I started to realize his game. And in his third term, he started to show his real face and began to act like a real fascist. He has this outdated idea as his big dream, to bring back the Ottoman influence to the ME and being the dominant leader of the Islamic countries. He sees himself as his so called ancestors of Ottoman Sultans. He acts like a Sultan, talks like a Sultan, doesn't care about anybodies' opinion. He doesn't even have intra-party democracy, he collected people who are total cringings around himself and thinks he can do whatever he wants to do just because he won the election, he doesn't realize the fact that we didn't vote for a freaking Sultan.

There are too many bads of him and his ruling government, I can't even organize them in my head and put them into the post, but let me serialize it briefly. He is an arrogant and conceited douchebag who thinks he's an emperor, he probably thinks he is a chosen one by GOD just like Bush did think. He hates different opinions, life styles, different beliefs, freedom of speech, freedom of anything. He likes to give order to everyone, including even Twitter, Youtube and Facebook. He and his sons made fortunes over Turkish citizens. He is the definition of hypocritical because he has turned 180 degrees on many matters time after time, especially his pre-PM life is entirely different. He is outright a liar most of the time. He did his best to go Iraqi war along with USA army(thank God Turkish people didn't let him). Now he's doing the same thing against Syria, for short he is a warmonger. Now thanks to his foreign politics our all neighbors hate us. He set against the military and tried to detract the image of the army on the eyes of the citizens, just for his goals(Turkish Army is absolute pro-secular). He convicted generals and many other high ranked officers for heavy verdicts like aggravated life sentences, obviously through a non-impartial judicial process. He slowly built up a huge pro-government police force which is highly violent and brutal. He controls the media and press. He controls rich guys of the country by making them richer and more richer. I can go on and on, but I fear for my *** because this guy and his government can't even stand people declaring their ideas on the internet. Countless citizens got taken into custody because of their tweets, online messages, videos and all.

Anyway, briefly, Turkish protests are just Turkish people realizing that the things they had by default are starting to slip away slowly, one by one. Protests aren't belonging to one major political group, it belongs to everyone that doesn't want to give up their freedoms. There are religious people, non-religious people, Armenian/Kurdish/other ethnic groups, LGBT groups, students, retired people, working class, artists, war veterans, children and oldies, Kemalists, nationalists and even bourgeois among the protesters.

Even I was gonna be in it if it wasn't for my father, he didn't want me to get into it.

Anyway here in this video, by the early times of protests, Cenk explains very well the attitude of PM Erdoğan. If you want to know about the protests more, you can just google "Taksim protest" or "Gezi Parki" or "Turkish protest" etc. You will see how the protests were/are widespread, creative, interesting and peaceful(at the beginning at least).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RJklNZv96M


Can't....rep....anymore.....too many.... reps.... given....
 
Guys.. has anyone faced faith failure? Doubts in your belief? Or do you know of anybody who has?


How did you deal with it? How did you come out of it?


Would really love your input.
 
I was being serious.

I've had my faith problems. Then, I realized that the entire idea that the world was created by a God and proceeds with a purpose toward an end is stupid. Then, I moved on.
 
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I was being serious.

I've had my faith problems. Then, I realized that the entire idea that the world was created by a God and proceeds with a purpose toward an end is stupid. Then, I moved on.

So you're no longer a believer?
 
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