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dismissing all reference to human constructs of philosophy, like God and Good, we need to understand what Life is in its most elemental forces and structures. . . .
 
A thoughtful reading, re-reading and later review and re-reading is actually necessary to get the nuance of the ideas of Vernadsky.

He did his work under Soviet regime political imperatives, but amazingly, he actually posited the foundational principles of liberty, free markets, and individual choice essential to American constitutional recognition of human rights. . . or even the rights of other living things.

What is the "Life Force" that Vernadsky saw as an elemental force of nature inherent in the Universe?
 
addictionary said:
Are you ****ing jesting me?!?

I always read your brain splatter.

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Well, every now and then my grey matter twinkles a bit, having absorbed some light radiation from somewhere out there in the Universe. . . .and I can't help it. . . . I process it through a series of internal conversions and re-emit it as a JF post.
 
babe said:
A thoughtful reading, re-reading and later review and re-reading is actually necessary to get the nuance of the ideas of Vernadsky.

He did his work under Soviet regime political imperatives, but amazingly, he actually posited the foundational principles of liberty, free markets, and individual choice essential to American constitutional recognition of human rights. . . or even the rights of other living things.

What is the "Life Force" that Vernadsky saw as an elemental force of nature inherent in the Universe?
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The "Life Force" Vernadsky demonstrated in various experiments with stuff like rocks and roots, is sometimes described as "Consciousness" I question the appropriateness of that label as well. Could it be resolved as "Choice"?

The difference between the living and the non-living is "Choice", the power to commit a volitional action. Awareness, or consciousness, is a "choice". Living things have the power to ignore as well as to recognize circumstances, or even ideas, or in general to form a unique conception of the Universe or any particular subdivision of it.
 
The contrary notion, which has been the dominant public "reality" of the past 180 years, say since about 1850 anyway, is the Newtonian mechanical universe, a universe composed of inelastic particles pursuing some natural path of development purely on the realities of Newtonian physics.

Vernadsky, in effect, contested Newton's laws by adding a new theoretical force to the physics, his "Life Force". His idea was a bit forced, reflecting the quaint aspects of the science of his time, and he envisioned light, or radiation, conveying the Life Force to the fertile fields of pliable material reality where Life can take hold. . ..

But if we include "Life", or "consciousness" in the "theory of everything", in Quantum Mechanical terms, we can actually formulate a mathematical relation that is universal, and inherent in all matter in a manner comparable to inertia. . . . a potential energy as well as a kinetic energy. . . .
 
babe said:
The contrary notion, which has been the dominant public "reality" of the past 180 years, say since about 1850 anyway, is the Newtonian mechanical universe, a universe composed of inelastic particles pursuing some natural path of development purely on the realities of Newtonian physics.

Vernadsky, in effect, contested Newton's laws by adding a new theoretical force to the physics, his "Life Force". His idea was a bit forced, reflecting the quaint aspects of the science of his time, and he envisioned light, or radiation, conveying the Life Force to the fertile fields of pliable material reality where Life can take hold. . ..

But if we include "Life", or "consciousness" in the "theory of everything", in Quantum Mechanical terms, we can actually formulate a mathematical relation that is universal, and inherent in all matter in a manner comparable to inertia. . . . a potential energy as well as a kinetic energy. . . .
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Evolution, for example, under this paradigm, is transformed from the limitations of random events congealing along favorable pathways, into a sort of intended sequence favored by a conscious natural force favoring "Life".
 
The God of the Catholic trinity. . . . would be "Consciousness". . . "The Word". . . the intentioned will of the Cosmos. . . .
 
babe said:
The God of the Catholic trinity. . . . would be "Consciousness". . . "The Word". . . the intentioned will of the Cosmos. . . .
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Not to say, btw, that the Earth or the Universe happened in a few thousand years, or days. .. .. but that there is an elemental reality to Will, to choice, to consciousness or perception.
 
Given this theory of "Life" being intertwined with "Will" or choice, and intelligence or perception. . . Consciousness. . . .with a deterministic penchant for procreation or propagation of living things. . . .

I'd say it looks like the current fashion of human thought is an aberration, an unnatural or dysfunctional phenomenon. We think the earth over-populated, resource-depleted, and savaged by environmental impacts of industry and modern life. . . . the whole Agenda 21/Gaia world management plethora of panics. . . .

when the long trend of the "Life Force" would just go forward with humans using technology to expand the biosphere and transplant it first to nearby planets and thence to neighboring solar systems. . ..we would naturally propagate all life forms in vintage Noah's Ark voyages across space.

Curiously, this philosophy would mean that preservation of displaced species is a very high priority because there are millions of Earths "out there" and evey one needs all kinds of Life, and we are the caretakers, the guardians of "Life".
 
babe said:
The "Life Force" Vernadsky demonstrated in various experiments with stuff like rocks and roots, is sometimes described as "Consciousness" I question the appropriateness of that label as well. Could it be resolved as "Choice"?

The difference between the living and the non-living is "Choice", the power to commit a volitional action. Awareness, or consciousness, is a "choice". Living things have the power to ignore as well as to recognize circumstances, or even ideas, or in general to form a unique conception of the Universe or any particular subdivision of it.
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babe said:
Not to say, btw, that the Earth or the Universe happened in a few thousand years, or days. .. .. but that there is an elemental reality to Will, to choice, to consciousness or perception.
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Why would you take this out of the assumption of Will being a discriminator of the living and non living? Because when you materialize consciousness and will, you open the path to acknowledge rocks as beings that just might have their own kind of consciousness. Are you suggesting that this is impossible because rocks do not choose to resist to the outer facts and alter their choices like us living do? Wait until the next geological master plan of the Earth.

babe said:
Given this theory of "Life" being intertwined with "Will" or choice, and intelligence or perception. . . Consciousness. . . .with a deterministic penchant for procreation or propagation of living things. . . .

I'd say it looks like the current fashion of human thought is an aberration, an unnatural or dysfunctional phenomenon. We think the earth over-populated, resource-depleted, and savaged by environmental impacts of industry and modern life. . . . the whole Agenda 21/Gaia world management plethora of panics. . . .

when the long trend of the "Life Force" would just go forward with humans using technology to expand the biosphere and transplant it first to nearby planets and thence to neighboring solar systems. . ..we would naturally propagate all life forms in vintage Noah's Ark voyages across space.
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Don't you think that the laughable Agenda 21's foresights can act faster than humanity's technology advancement acceleration? Has this become a race between the Earth and technology about who will get knocked out first?

Curiously, this philosophy would mean that preservation of displaced species is a very high priority because there are millions of Earths "out there" and evey one needs all kinds of Life, and we are the caretakers, the guardians of "Life".
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What makes you think so? Maybe we have caretakers of our own and we are the ones that are propagated from somewhere else. What makes you think we are the originals with so much uncertainty on the table.
 
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