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and yes, if we will consider the way we do, even in our national or political life, the purpose to turn things to something better is a national "repentance". For India to seek national sovereignty is essentially the same thing we need to do today. . . . seek a return of our government to the principle of government deriviing its just powers from the consent of the people. Taking a serious look at how our corporate cartelists are exploiting their disproportionate influences, and making a determined course to break that stranglehold on our nation.
Gandhi and his ideas are actually very close to me, or rather, they are notions that are similar to the ones that I've been raised among, so I feel familiar. I was raised by a small branch of a dergah which followed the teachings of two great Anatolian philosophers, Haji Bektash Veli and Rumi(you might heard of him).
It was kind of a small sect that compiled the teachings of them and made kind of a synthesis in the cause of uniting the people of the two side. Which is kind of ironic because both Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli were the people of high principles much like Gandhi and they actually were not against each other by any means. But was it like that to their followers? Although they generally talk high of each others, one could see that they did not like each others genuinely. Even in my dergah folks would argue about their differences and soon enough they would divide and form different parties in any given matter.
Today I've chosen a different way and proclaimed myself as a free soul and I want to be not linked to any one or any being but God.
Anyway, I'm telling all these, because shortly before, I read a quote of Gandhi that says "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Which is also current and can be said for Gandhi followers(referring the disputes in India), just like Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli followers. Because after all these great man are gone, the followers most likely become almost their antitheticals.
So shortly, I like Gandhi, but I do not like his followers. That been said, of course I would have no problems with someone who is studying him(like you do, babe), especially if he is sharing out what he discovers the way babe does.
It was kind of a small sect that compiled the teachings of them and made kind of a synthesis in the cause of uniting the people of the two side. Which is kind of ironic because both Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli were the people of high principles much like Gandhi and they actually were not against each other by any means. But was it like that to their followers? Although they generally talk high of each others, one could see that they did not like each others genuinely. Even in my dergah folks would argue about their differences and soon enough they would divide and form different parties in any given matter.
Today I've chosen a different way and proclaimed myself as a free soul and I want to be not linked to any one or any being but God.
Anyway, I'm telling all these, because shortly before, I read a quote of Gandhi that says "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Which is also current and can be said for Gandhi followers(referring the disputes in India), just like Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli followers. Because after all these great man are gone, the followers most likely become almost their antitheticals.
So shortly, I like Gandhi, but I do not like his followers. That been said, of course I would have no problems with someone who is studying him(like you do, babe), especially if he is sharing out what he discovers the way babe does.
This is actually the kind of response I am always fishing for. Someone who can tell me something from their own experience in life, and give me something to think about. I'll be doing some reading on these philosophers and the people you mention.
It's the common thing with human beings for closely related people in thinking or space to develop special issues amongst themselves. . . . like Jazz Fans arguing about management decisions and who should have the ball in their hands. . . . it's not all bad. . . . it means we actually do care.
I have viewed basketball as a game meant for thinkers and those who will work to develop basic as well as special skills. . . . that's why I like to play it. . . . it always gives me something to work on.
Thanks, I wish I had the writing ability of yours, I'd share a lot more then. But it's difficult for me to write on higher level subjects in deeper conversations.
babe said:
Agreed.
babe said:
Nice to know you're also playing basketball. One could think that you'd never get away from your desk.
Thanks, I wish I had the writing ability of yours, I'd share a lot more then. But it's difficult for me to write on higher level subjects in deeper conversations.
Agreed.
Nice to know you're also playing basketball. One could think that you'd never get away from your desk.
Feels more like I never get a chance to sit down and type something. . . . lol
I see you sometimes hold forth in Turkish or whatever you call it. . . . and the sentence structure looks like a pretty complex sort of expression. I suppose if I wanted to read it I could get a translation ap or something, maybe even just conveniently click some button or another. . . . or google some tutorial Turk site. Are there very many Turks coming into JazzFanz reading this site??? I mean, do you have a following of sorts to serve using your language?
yesterday I was giving a history lecture to my kids, after having them watch some American History dvds. . . ..
About how British bankers were funneling money through different channels, a la Machiavelli, to run up the issue of Abolition in the North, and Secession in the South. . . .and how the New York bankers who selected Abraham Lincoln to head the Republican ticket actually wanted to push the South to secede. In fact, they hand-picked Lincoln's cabinet for him and had it all figured out. . . . they were going to tell Lincoln to just let the seceding states go their own way, and did in fact try to.
But Abraham Lincoln saw it differently, and broke ranks with his financial backers at the very first meeting of his cabinet, declaring "The Union must be preserved". He was attacked by many folks in the north for this stand, but single-handedly he made the case with his rhetorical skills. He knew the United States, if it broke apart, would forever just be a set of pawn pieces in the hands of foreign interests, if not occupied by foreign armies.
I liked Joseph Smith's idea in the 1844 campaign: buy the slaves, set them free, and give them a state. . . . like the Indians were supposed to get Oklahoma. . . . of their own.
About how British bankers were funneling money through different channels, a la Machiavelli, to run up the issue of Abolition in the North, and Secession in the South. . . .and how the New York bankers who selected Abraham Lincoln to head the Republican ticket actually wanted to push the South to secede. In fact, they hand-picked Lincoln's cabinet for him and had it all figured out. . . . they were going to tell Lincoln to just let the seceding states go their own way, and did in fact try to.
But Abraham Lincoln saw it differently, and broke ranks with his financial backers at the very first meeting of his cabinet, declaring "The Union must be preserved". He was attacked by many folks in the north for this stand, but single-handedly he made the case with his rhetorical skills. He knew the United States, if it broke apart, would forever just be a set of pawn pieces in the hands of foreign interests, if not occupied by foreign armies.
I liked Joseph Smith's idea in the 1844 campaign: buy the slaves, set them free, and give them a state. . . . like the Indians were supposed to get Oklahoma. . . . of their own.
I'm pretty sure there are a lot of Turkish people reading the forum, maybe they just don't feel any need to register. But I don't resort to Turkish for that kind of matter in any way. Actually I care about not seeming too Turkish most of the time because I'm not nationalist or proud of my ethnicity(I didn't choose it, why would I be proud?) at all. Plus, I know it could irritate the native posters. But at the end, I fail sometimes because it's just who I am and at those times I feel I have to resort to Turkish to express what I think or feel.
I'm planning to study some American history, especially after the Colonial period and the founding years. So could you suggest the best sources that you know for me? I'm seeking for unbiased, objective and of course easy to read sources.
Stay away from college "History" courses and textbooks. . . . some evil grinch has seized control of "education" in this country and replaced it with propaganda to pave the way to Hell and the New World Order.
The DVD's I've mentioned I got out of the DVD bin at Smiths. . . . sometimes they're not expecially good, but recently I picked up one on the American Revolution that has some good stuff on the actual war, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
Just cast a wide net and be prepared to be a bit fussy about what you buy hook and sinker.
I think every country does that in some ways for their own purposes. I know mine does.
Duck Rodgers
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I don't know. I think it might be worthwhile to go textbook heavy for a few months...maybe throw little Howard Zinn on top.....just get all that crap flowing in your mind....then BAM....get woken out your stupor with some truth serum from Caroll Quiqley and Cleon Skousen.
man. . . . . yah got no mercy do ya. . . ..