Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

[Saint Cy of JFC]

aside from being a rich man who lives above the law, rhetorically speaking, why would you think it would take force to get a black player to work for him? Most of us work for people whose ideas we can't really know a lot about,or whose views we would not support politically or intellectually, and in fact for people who don't really even "like us".

Po' folk work for money. Money represents disproportionate power in a lot of economic relations. Are you something like a marxist who thinks money should not be the reason we work?

The old man is a democrat, and liberal. Should that matter in our opinions about whether he is socially acceptable as an owner of a NBA franchise??? Should that matter in our opinions on his domestic squabbles???

Everyone uses rhetorical slurs to demean the value of other persons, in all kinds of ways. Words like "moron" are not edited out of this forum. Are you going to undertake to eliminate all possible degrading speech?

The value of a term like "racist" is only demeaned by applying it indiscriminately to peoples whose problem is only egotistical in relation to their disproportionate wealth. This man is not really a racist. He's an elitist.

Sterling got mad at his ho for taking pictures with Matt Kemp and Magic Johnson, two super rich black dudes. Don't think money was that big of a deal here, just race.

 

[moevillini]

Sterling Silver


ironic

at least it's not pure gold (except for the ratings on the sports shows...)

 

[Hantlers]

But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that.

Mark Cuban just gets it.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

You forgot the obvious. Pride and/or vanity. Wanting your kids to look as much like you as possible, and it is much easier to merge similar cultural backgrounds.

Good call. I can't believe I spaced that one.

 

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Absolutely not! Guy is free to hold any opinions he chooses. People should respond as such. If any players, regardless of skin color, orientation or nationality, do not want to play for him they should not have to.

The resolution is that he is denounced and pay a fine for tarnishing the NBA brand and then we move on. Perhaps even the loss of NBA draft picks. The public, agents and players should be left up the own devices on how they choose to shun or support Mr. Sterling.

He should be fined and lose multiple picks. This is the very least they should do.

I did not like the Clips players removing their warm up jerseys in protest. I certainly understand it but didn't like it. They are under contract with him to represent his basketball team. As such they need to wear their jerseys. If they felt they could no longer support him they can seek a trade or leave when they are free agents. I would.

What it is with you and clothes? This was a very small sign of protest. It's probably the smallest backlash possible, given the kind of labor they are providing. With a simple gesture they show revulsion at the ownership, but then continue to play for the love of the game and the good of their careers. Seriously, anybody who gets a bee in their bonnet over the warmups is douching it.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Interesting. The article I read said Silver and the owners didn't have the authority. Guess I shouldn't believe everything I read on the internet.

If the owners vote him out, Sterling will sue them. This is going to get ugly (well, uglier). Clippers have 10 players under contract for next season + a first round pick (their 2nd has already been traded). Wonder what happens if no one else agreed to sign with them and they just had 11 players on the roster?

Well, technically they do according to the rules.. There is a bylaw that allows the owners to force another to sell. But it was meant to be used when an owner was not financially viable. If they tried this, Sterling would sue, and there would be a long, ongoing lawsuit.

Did anyone see that Larry Johnson tweeted that blacks should just have their own league? Imagine if Hayward tweeted there should be an all-white league. Love the hypocrisy.

 

[colton]

Again, none of those players are being forced to work for him.

How so? If he selects a player in the draft, doesn't that player have to work for him?

Or are you saying that no one HAS to play in the NBA? Which is true, but kind of beside the point.

 

[colton]

Interesting. The article I read said Silver and the owners didn't have the authority. Guess I shouldn't believe everything I read on the internet.

Or I shouldn't believe everything I hear on the radio...

I guess we'll find out more today.

 

[Stoked]

He should be fined and lose multiple picks. This is the very least they should do.



What it is with you and clothes? This was a very small sign of protest. It's probably the smallest backlash possible, given the kind of labor they are providing. With a simple gesture they show revulsion at the ownership, but then continue to play for the love of the game and the good of their careers. Seriously, anybody who gets a bee in their bonnet over the warmups is douching it.

You would now all about that.

It is the principal not the clothes themselves. So stop trying to deflect. They are paid to play and represent the Clippers. So they should do so. If they feel that they cannot after this, completely understandable (the route I'd probably take), then they need to go work somewhere else. I can name a crap load of teams that would love to snatch up these players.

If they wanted to make a demonstration of protest, which i would be on board with, then they should have done so at some other time. Not at an official Clippers event. Guarantee you that the media would be all over that with big ole smiles at the headlines it would create.

 

[colton]

Absolutely not! Guy is free to hold any opinions he chooses. People should respond as such. If any players, regardless of skin color, orientation or nationality, do not want to play for him they should not have to.

Would you make all of his current players who want to leave free agents, then? And give draft picks the option whether or not to accept his pick?

Personally I feel that forcing/strongly encouraging him to sell the team would be FAR less disruptive to the league than those types of options.

 

[franklin]

And in my opinion it is insane. Guy has every right to be a racist POS if that is what he is. He has done things that are just idiotic and paid the price, like the 2.7 mil(?) settlement mentioned in here. But he has also done a lot of good like giving money to charities and outreach groups, like the NAACP.

Forcing him out of his chosen business because he holds some antiquated, and horribly wrong, ideas is just bad.

I did not like the Clips players removing their warm up jerseys in protest. I certainly understand it but didn't like it. They are under contract with him to represent his basketball team. As such they need to wear their jerseys. If they felt they could no longer support him they can seek a trade or leave when they are free agents. I would.

Yeah let's blame the victims for peacefully protesting. Wearing a jersey the incorrect way, in this situation, is the most scandalous and shameful thing I can think of. Outrageous, actually.

Defending racists is becoming common of you.

 

[franklin]

If the owners vote him out, Sterling will sue them.

That did not make any sense.

If Silver allows all the Clippers players to become free agents and they all walk, they'd have to sign 13 players next season. Can't see any quality players or coaches wanting to play there. Can't see many fans wanting to go watch the **** team they'd put together. If Silver could suspend Sterling long enough to not be able to do diddly, i'm sure that would **** him up even more.

Every single one of them already chose to sign with a known racist. Why should it be any different in the future? Because now they have to publicly fess up to something that has heretofore been ignored by all these newly outraged speech police?