#MAKEITFAIR

[GVC]

But where's the quantified evidence?

I'm not saying it's not a problem. The video had a message, and I've listened. But it's only a message... not evidence of why it's that way, or a way they'd like to fix it.

Well, other than flooding twitter with more hastags.

Yep.

 

[Harambe]

Imagine me bitching about our social model... wait I already do that.

But Imagine me bitching about our social model and not having at least an idea on how to change it. That's what this video feels like.



To me, it feels like the fix needs to be from the producers side. We need to know what draws them in to using men near exclusively. If it's just past success, perhaps we should expand out anyway....

Last I heard, there was considerable scuttle about finding a female director for Wonder Woman. Robin Wright directed three episodes of House of Cards this season.. I remember seeing her name and thinking these were very deep, very good episodes.

 

[nightmare3983]

But where's the quantified evidence?

I'm not saying it's not a problem. The video had a message, and I've listened. But it's only a message... not evidence of why it's that way, or a way they'd like to fix it.

Well, other than flooding twitter with more hastags.

The questions I have are these: How many women are trying to make in in entertainment? Are more women not getting opportunities in this industry than men? Are a higher percentage of women trying to make failing than men?

 

[GVC]

Imagine me bitching about our social model... wait I already do that.

But Imagine me bitching about our social model and not having at least an idea on how to change it. That's what this video feels like.



To me, it feels like the fix needs to be from the producers side. We need to know what draws them in to using men near exclusively. If it's just past success, perhaps we should expand out anyway....

Last I heard, there was considerable scuttle about finding a female director for Wonder Woman. Robin Wright directed three episodes of House of Cards this season.. I remember seeing her name and thinking these were very deep, very good episodes.

If we're tossing out recommendations (not really what you were doing), there are a couple recent movies written and directed by women that I really enjoyed: Enough Said (Nicole Holofcener) and Stories We Tell (Sarah Polley). I also loved Caramel (Sukkar Banat, Nadine Labaki), which I recommend to people (mostly couples) all the time.

 

[Beer]

If we're tossing out recommendations (not really what you were doing), there are a couple recent movies written and directed by women that I really enjoyed: Enough Said (Nicole Holofcener) and Stories We Tell (Sarah Polley). I also loved Caramel (Sukkar Banat, Nadine Labaki), which I recommend to people (mostly couples) all the time.

Exactly, women can write, direct and star in good movies. If its really good it will get made, if you really are a good actress you will get roles, if you can direct you will get the opportunity.

 

[GVC]

Exactly, women can write, direct and star in good movies. If its really good it will get made, if you really are a good actress you will get roles, if you can direct you will get the opportunity.

That's not what I was trying to say at all. I think it's almost certainly more difficult - profoundly so, even - for a woman to get her work out there. I'm just trying to do my part and direct those interested in female voices/stories toward media that doesn't get the play it deserves.

 

[Beer]

That's not what I was trying to say at all. I think it's almost certainly more difficult - profoundly so, even - for a woman to get her work out there. I'm just trying to do my part and direct those interested in female voices/stories toward media that doesn't get the play it deserves.

The thing is... I think men who are not in the upper echelon of Hollywood would say the same exact thing.

 

[babe]

It's unclear from the video what I'm supposed to do about women's underrepresentation in media other than feel guilty and tweet a slogan.

Of course HH can't tell you that, you need a woman to explain it.

Well, all I can say is what goes around, comes around. Women have men by the balls in this country as it is, and no man can "make it" without a woman telling him what to do, how to do it, and why.
At least as it appears in our media, and in our political rhetoric. Never underestimate the power of controlling the rhetoric. . . .

Behind every successful man is a bit**queen who is going to get whatever he earns. . . . uhhhmm. . . . in my day it was put more eloquently as "Behind every successful man is a good woman."

The women who rally around stats like those above are the losers who don't have their own man, who haven't learned to smile and toy with men adroitly enough to have it all their way. uhhhmm. . . no nobody can manipulate another and get "happiness" in the process. It is just callous to even try to do things like that.

Cowboys have some sayings. . . . about horses. You can't be a cowboy without one. Of course you can buy one and treat it like crap, and it'll go places with you. But real cowboys take the time to have a relationship with their horse, and the horse responds with "horse sense" and will just naturally do the job that needs doing, pretty much. And it will see that maybe better than you do. . . . If you love your horse, the horse will take care of you. It's a sort of model for a good marriage.

If a woman can find her man who will actually care about her, she has life by the horns, so to speak. If she's smart, she will let the man have some latitude. . . the reigns, so to speak. . . to use his "horse sense".

Social Justice crusaders who just want the government to force good relationships down to the minutia of everyday mechanics are just clueless. Government can't do that for you with all the money in the world, but caring human partners will do it for one another, and both will be happy.

 

[fishonjazz]

Women already can have starring roles in the kitchen making sandwiches.






And driving men insane. Amirite Beer?

 

[GVC]

The thing is... I think men who are not in the upper echelon of Hollywood would say the same exact thing.

About themselves or women? If the former, of course it's true that those in "the upper echelon of Hollywood" have an advantage. Currently, those positions are held disproportionately be men, presumably for a number of reasons, benign or otherwise. As such, I'd also guess that men outside the "upper echelon" have an advantage over women, as their stories/proposals will better resonate with these men in the "upper echelon".

It might be as simple as that, especially given the presumed political/social leanings of those in the film industry. Even so, we're left with something that some consider a problem. I find intelligent female stories both interesting/compelling and hard to find. What should be done about this, if anything? I'm skeptical inane tweets do much more than provide a sense of self-satisfaction to upper-middle class idle do-gooders. Maybe I'm wrong, and the raising of awareness through social media is effective. Is anyone more likely to watch a movie written/directed by a woman or featuring a female protagonist after seeing this video or a related tweet?

 

[GVC]

Of course HH can't tell you that, you need a woman to explain it.

Well, all I can say is what goes around, comes around. Women have men by the balls in this country as it is, and no man can "make it" without a woman telling him what to do, how to do it, and why.
At least as it appears in our media, and in our political rhetoric. Never underestimate the power of controlling the rhetoric. . . .

Behind every successful man is a bit**queen who is going to get whatever he earns. . . . uhhhmm. . . . in my day it was put more eloquently as "Behind every successful man is a good woman."

The women who rally around stats like those above are the losers who don't have their own man, who haven't learned to smile and toy with men adroitly enough to have it all their way. uhhhmm. . . no nobody can manipulate another and get "happiness" in the process. It is just callous to even try to do things like that.

Cowboys have some sayings. . . . about horses. You can't be a cowboy without one. Of course you can buy one and treat it like crap, and it'll go places with you. But real cowboys take the time to have a relationship with their horse, and the horse responds with "horse sense" and will just naturally do the job that needs doing, pretty much. And it will see that maybe better than you do. . . . If you love your horse, the horse will take care of you. It's a sort of model for a good marriage.

If a woman can find her man who will actually care about her, she has life by the horns, so to speak. If she's smart, she will let the man have some latitude. . . the reigns, so to speak. . . to use his "horse sense".

Social Justice crusaders who just want the government to force good relationships down to the minutia of everyday mechanics are just clueless. Government can't do that for you with all the money in the world, but caring human partners will do it for one another, and both will be happy.

Have you always had this much disdain for women? Yikes.

 

[babe]

Women already can have starring roles in the kitchen making sandwiches.






And driving men insane. Amirite Beer?

Women have a lot of starring roles. Not all of them on screen, to be sure.

But assuming a little humor here, Men have the same starring roles in the kitchen wolfing sandwiches down in one gulp, and grunting "good". If I'm not missing my guess, that just drives women insane, too.

 

[babe]

Have you always had this much disdain for women? Yikes.

you think that's disdain for women? yikes, you are clueless.

 

[Beer]

About themselves or women? If the former, of course it's true that those in "the upper echelon of Hollywood" have an advantage. Currently, those positions are held disproportionately be men, presumably for a number of reasons, benign or otherwise. As such, I'd also guess that men outside the "upper echelon" have an advantage over women, as their stories/proposals will better resonate with these men in the "upper echelon".

It might be as simple as that, especially given the presumed political/social leanings of those in the film industry. Even so, we're left with something that some consider a problem. I find intelligent female stories both interesting/compelling and hard to find. What should be done about this, if anything? I'm skeptical inane tweets do much more than provide a sense of self-satisfaction to upper-middle class idle do-gooders. Maybe I'm wrong, and the raising of awareness through social media is effective. Is anyone more likely to watch a movie written/directed by a women or featuring a female protagonist after seeing this video or a related tweet?

I guess my opinion is its not really sexism. Although I'm sure it exists to some extent I don't believe it is the main factor or even a large one. The video is so stupid that I was not sure if it was a parody or not until the last frame.

 

[GVC]

you think that's disdain for women? yikes, you are clueless.

Absolutely. Do you really think the greatest ambition an intelligent woman can/should have is to find a smart/successful/ambitious man to latch onto? Are they incapable of or just poorly suited to making other contributions in your opinion?

 

[babe]

About themselves or women? If the former, of course it's true that those in "the upper echelon of Hollywood" have an advantage. Currently, those positions are held disproportionately be men, presumably for a number of reasons, benign or otherwise. As such, I'd also guess that men outside the "upper echelon" have an advantage over women, as their stories/proposals will better resonate with these men in the "upper echelon".

It might be as simple as that, especially given the presumed political/social leanings of those in the film industry. Even so, we're left with something that some consider a problem. I find intelligent female stories both interesting/compelling and hard to find. What should be done about this, if anything? I'm skeptical inane tweets do much more than provide a sense of self-satisfaction to upper-middle class idle do-gooders. Maybe I'm wrong, and the raising of awareness through social media is effective. Is anyone more likely to watch a movie written/directed by a women or featuring a female protagonist after seeing this video or a related tweet?

ordinarily this would be rather artless and fruitless work, but once mass psychology gets in gear, it's as dangerous as any other do-gooder notion, sorta like locking the steering wheel and flooring the gas. Stampede.

 

[DutchJazzer]

yes lets lower the bars in armies elite units so women can pass and become special units.

so when a mine blows off a fellow soldier leggs and he needs to be carried through enemy territory. it will be good to know that a woman soldier who couldnt do some pull ups and lack upperbody strength would be there to try and carry the soldier but ultimatly fail.


MAKE IT FAIR! my ***

 

[VINYLONE]

(is there anything sexier than an ambitious, intelligent woman?).

No. Though from some of the wives in that "sig other" thread...well, oof.

 

[babe]

Absolutely. Do you really think the greatest ambition an intelligent woman can/should have is to find a smart/successful/ambitious man to latch onto? Are they incapable of or just poorly suited to making other contributions in your opinion?

Do you really think life is all about the job? Most people see a job as a paycheck, and do it as a sort of unavoidable evil unless they can figure out how to do something they enjoy doing on terms that others are happy to reward.

Do you really think a woman, or a man, should latch onto anyone with a design to sort of make a slave of the other?

strikes me like you are taking everything with blinders.

 

[GVC]

Do you really think life is all about the job? Most people see a job as a paycheck, and do it as a sort of unavoidable evil unless they can figure out how to do something they enjoy doing on terms that others are happy to reward.

Do you really think a woman, or a man, should latch onto anyone with a design to sort of make a slave of the other?

strikes me like you are taking everything with blinders.

Of course I don't think life is all about the job. Not in the least. I do think that every individual's life/destiny is their own, whether they be male or female.

Thatt's why I find your statements offensive (for lack of a better word) and counterproductive (more on this in a second). Here's the relevant content from your post:

The women who rally around stats like those above are the losers who don't have their own man, who haven't learned to smile and toy with men adroitly enough to have it all their way...

If a woman can find her man who will actually care about her, she has life by the horns, so to speak. If she's smart, she will let the man have some latitude. . . the reigns, so to speak. . . to use his "horse sense".

I know plenty of women who have much higher ambitions than having their needs met or getting their way in the household/a relationship. These women are absolutely capable of making real contributions to humanity outside of the home. They should be encouraged to do so if that's what they desire. Woman=slave rhetoric is toxic.

edit: I may just be misreading your intent here. You have in the past also rigidly defined the role a woman should fill in society (IIRC).