Mission Accomplished
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Yes, if they want to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Talking the talk is weak.
Mia Love
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Yes, if they want to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Talking the talk is weak.
Okay, so refund all the money that's been paid in to these programs and I'll gladly pass on my portion of what I paid for. Talk is cheap, after all.
I've been around her a little. She is vulnerable because she is articulate and inexperienced. She is "real" in that she is sincere, and means what she says, but is going to say some really stupid things. . . . because she actually is "real", sincere, and dedicated to her beliefs.
I might think she hasn't thought through a lot of issues enough to really know. . . . but hey, NO WAY am I voting for Matheson.
It's my way of telling Big Pharma to just go pound sand.
The Thriller
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Translation:
Is all for letting CEOs and churches exploit workers, resources, the environment, and followers.
Isn't it funny that whenever we talk about "getting back" to the Constitution it usually means that some repub wants to cut social programs, environmental protections, and workers' rights rather than getting back to a trim military unit which was meant to protect the country (and not serve in hundreds of bases around the world protecting corporate interests)?
Quite honestly, I haven't seen any advantages for "Joe Sixpack" in getting back to "the Constitution." Fewer public services, fewer safety nets, less opportunity, less regulation, etc just hurt us...
Duck Rodgers
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https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/08/28/utahs-mia-love-gets-enthusiastic-reception-in-tampa/
Nice. Didn't even realize she was speaking there(probably should have read this thread a week ago and I would've known). Here's the Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Cbvewaa7g
Nice. Didn't even realize she was speaking there(probably should have read this thread a week ago and I would've known). Here's the Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Cbvewaa7g
The Thriller
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Even the conservative Mormon-owned Deseret News says that Love's cuts will hurt millions of Americans:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...of-programs-good-or-bad-for-image.html?pg=all
The SL Trib provides more details:
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54398316-90/love-utah-million-budget.html.csp?page=3
and:
https://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile2/54398316-218/love-utah-million-billion.html.csp
IMO, I won't support a candidate who doesn't support cutting the defense department. It's that simple. To my knowledge, the only repub do suggest this has been Huntsman. He seems like one of the few sane repubs still left in that wacky party
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...of-programs-good-or-bad-for-image.html?pg=all
The SL Trib provides more details:
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54398316-90/love-utah-million-budget.html.csp?page=3
and:
https://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile2/54398316-218/love-utah-million-billion.html.csp
I just don't see many Americans... Even Utahns, supporting her over the top ideas.
IMO, I won't support a candidate who doesn't support cutting the defense department. It's that simple. To my knowledge, the only repub do suggest this has been Huntsman. He seems like one of the few sane repubs still left in that wacky party
She seemed to be sincere and have a lot of passion. That was refreshing to see and I enjoyed her speach. Ann Romney also had some good lines in her speach as well. It appears that Mia Love is starting to have some of the big guns come out for her. John McCain and Paul Ryan have campaigned for her and Condolezza Rice is going to.
I watched this. In my opinion, this is the definition of guts and grace.
She is real. She gets my vote.
I agree that we have some wrong priorities, and we need to bring home our troops. However, every retired American's investment portfolio, including 401(k), is essentially based on the value of American corporate assets overseas. Your own job depends on our trade advantages which are hugely dependent on "the way things are".
People like Mia Love, who just roll out of bed and go to work every day, rain, snow, wind or sun, are the kind of people I want making financial decisions for our nation. We have to cut our dependency mindset, and make our safety net efficient and affordable, instead of supporting people who just won't work or just don't care to even try to take care of themselves.
I can't see why Utah has voted for Jim Matheson all these years. He is owned by Big Pharma, and is lying politician who fakes being what the voters want. Oh, wait. I know why Utah has voted for him. He's our token Democrat.
Utah voters have a long tradition of splitting their tickets. We have to have one vote in the other column or we just don't feel good about ourselves. He has seemed harmless enough, but he has done us immense damage voting for Obama's moolah giveaways to his banker backers. Mia is conservative enough she would not have voted for the bailouts and crony slush like Solyndra.
I take it you think you have some talking points about how Obama is for the poor, but you're flat out wrong. Obama has been dousing his rich supporters with our cash like it's going out of style.
And it is just that kind of largesse that really should go out of style. . . .. and that's the stuff Mia Love will not support.
Oh. . . . I see you've fleshed out your post with some specifics. OK, let's take them on, too.
Farm subsidies are an abomination. I'm a farmer, and look at farms coming on the market for sale. In places like Oklahoma and Nebraska, I see a lot of farms that are totally on the crop reduction gravy train. They are advertised as government subsidized cash cows. You buy the place, do no work, and suck on the government teats. While we are importing grain. This is sheer insanity. And it's our Ag Corporates who ride this gravy train all the way to the bank. It's not the "family farm" that gets this cash from our treasury.
Thriller, this is right out of the progressive talking point checklist this morning. Can't you work up your own stuff?
So, about the government subsidies of K-12. "it's for the kids", yeah, right. It's for exercising national hegemony over local schools, for having the power of the pocketbook to force ineffective and even downright stupid national policy. And it's all debt those kids are going to have to pay for, with interest, their whole lives. We'll do better without federal "help".
you sound like our city fathers who when facing a budget shortfall, first of all cut the fire department and trash collection. Gotta make a point about how we need that, so city workers can keep their retirement benefits at a budget-busting level twice what workers get in private employment.
So, about the government subsidies of K-12. "it's for the kids", yeah, right. It's for exercising national hegemony over local schools, for having the power of the pocketbook to force ineffective and even downright stupid national policy. And it's all debt those kids are going to have to pay for, with interest, their whole lives. We'll do better without federal "help".
you sound like our city fathers who when facing a budget shortfall, first of all cut the fire department and trash collection. Gotta make a point about how we need that, so city workers can keep their retirement benefits at a budget-busting level twice what workers get in private employment.
And wow. Cut tuition support. What a heartbreaker.
whatever money we give students for college is immediately translated into higher tuition rates for students. The students are always gouged for every dollar they or their parents can scrounge up for tuition.
We need to reform the way we do this, and guarantee a solid interest rate on money kids,or their parents, borrow for college. With regulated, low penalties for late payments and limited fees that can be added later, if the loan goes into default. Sure, this will dry up available loans, but it will prevent loan companies from rolling the non-bankruptible default loans into unbearable lifetime albatrosses for those who do default. And, once again, all this moolah for education is what Universities are relying on to flesh out budget expansion dreams.
If you cut it, college administrators will start making better decisions about how to just get the education job done. Less bricks and campus lawns, more classes online. Methods that indeed will make education affordable.
In reality, all these heartbreaking public needs you're crying about, Thriller, are useless and outdated monuments to stupidity.
whatever money we give students for college is immediately translated into higher tuition rates for students. The students are always gouged for every dollar they or their parents can scrounge up for tuition.
We need to reform the way we do this, and guarantee a solid interest rate on money kids,or their parents, borrow for college. With regulated, low penalties for late payments and limited fees that can be added later, if the loan goes into default. Sure, this will dry up available loans, but it will prevent loan companies from rolling the non-bankruptible default loans into unbearable lifetime albatrosses for those who do default. And, once again, all this moolah for education is what Universities are relying on to flesh out budget expansion dreams.
If you cut it, college administrators will start making better decisions about how to just get the education job done. Less bricks and campus lawns, more classes online. Methods that indeed will make education affordable.
In reality, all these heartbreaking public needs you're crying about, Thriller, are useless and outdated monuments to stupidity.
The Thriller
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Babe, with all due respect, we've been over these issues a million times over. There's no point in arguing about things like these:
When no matter what the other side says we're going to disagree.
So support Love, that's fine. But to me, her ideology and plans I don't agree with. Much like most of your ideas, I, like most on this board, disagree with.
When no matter what the other side says we're going to disagree.
So support Love, that's fine. But to me, her ideology and plans I don't agree with. Much like most of your ideas, I, like most on this board, disagree with.
Stop trying to make it appear as if you speak for others.
Typical. The radical thinks they are mainstream.
I suggest some further reading.
https://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html#_Toc316940479
Frickin' progressives...