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Millsap + #9 to NJ for #3

I'd do it, but there's no way in hell NJ does (costs them way too much money and what do they get out of it? A nice role-player?).
 
slc said:
I agree. Over the last 30 years and I'm just guessing right now but 25 of those teams had one of the top five players in the league on their roster. So unless Jazz do manage to get a top five player on their roster chances are slim they can win a title. Deron is not a top five player and chances are slim he will ever break into that elite group. Jazz missed their chance to get the top pick this year with the Knicks pick and and may not get that chance again for a while.
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Agree - to extend this, the MVP of the league has been in the finals about 25/30 years (and runner up is there too...) You CAN get to finals without MVP caliber player- but unlikely, it is highly unlikely to win in finals with out MVP. (not impossible, i.e detroit)
 
sportsnut1232 said:
I never said there was a greater than 50% chance. What I'm saying is there is a chance this kid can be really good, all star good. We know millsap will not turn into a superstar, so why not roll the dice and take a chance on favors if we had the opportunity? How often do we get to draft a player with such high potential? This kind of conservative thinking is why we have never won a title.
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Yes you did say that. And you don't even know it.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
And the liberal thinking of the Clippers is why they have never even come close to winning a title. Same with every other team. Look at who has won titles in the past 30 years. Only the Pistons in '04 and the Celtics in '08 really took a big risk like that. Bird and Magic were high draft picks. Neither traded up. The bad boy Pistons were built over the long haul and were the same team that lost in '88. Bulls drafted Jordan. Rockets drafted Hakeem. Spurs drafted Duncan and earlier Robinson with lady luck. Lakers signed Shaq, no risk there, and had the luxury of Bryant refusing to play unless he was on the Lakers. Then they made a no brainer trade that is hard to come by.

Risky business does not win championships.
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I think you are confirming why sportsnut is in favor of this trade. All of the players listed in your argument were postulated as NBA MVP's in college. And you have to get a good draft pick or you don't have an chance. Ya, the clippers get good draft picks, but don't have a good organization or should i say one focused on winning basketball games let alone a championship.

Thus - IF YOU NEED A SPECIAL PLAYER TO WIN, then trade up with your 'average' players to do it. His bet is that Favors is risk in that direction. Milsap+ other guy is just average stuff - keep you were you are today.

And this is the age old Utah Jazz Fan question - risk it for the big one and take the chance of bigger failure or stay the conservative approach.

In this example sportnut claims the risk is minimal - he's considered by most to be a player - that is at least milsap. So then why not?

The reason of why not is what everyone else has stated - because NJ wouldn't do it.
 
Favors could be Millsap (in his first 2 or 3 years) in his ****-ing sleep. Adding to that, Millsap's ceiling is a poor-man's David West and Favors' ceiling is a cross between Amare and Dwight. Maybe Favors never gets there, but he can quite easily get putbacks, clean up around the basket, and get a fair share of blocks purely off of his desire and supreme physical attributes.

But this is beside the point that there's no way the Nets ever do that trade. I don't think they'd take Millsap for nothing from us because they're trying to preserve or expand their cap space for free agent pursuits.
 
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Harcher said:
I think you are confirming why sportsnut is in favor of this trade. All of the players listed in your argument were postulated as NBA MVP's in college. And you have to get a good draft pick or you don't have an chance. Ya, the clippers get good draft picks, but don't have a good organization or should i say one focused on winning basketball games let alone a championship.
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I guess I believe Williams can be that guy. I felt the Jazz could have beaten any team in the playoffs that wasn't based in L.A.

Of course, the problem is that the last three years, the Jazz have faced the Lakers, so it's certainly an issue. The Jazz weren't that much differently defensively against the Lakers than other teams, namely mediocre, but they were much worse offensively because of Boozer's inability to score against their bigs. The Lakers like to force teams into one on one situations. I feel the Jazz need tinkering to contend, not reconstructing.
 
Milsap + #9 + taking back Yi's bad contract would get this done. And if necessary the Memphis pick (likely 13-16 in 2012). The NJ Nets are not that high on Favors they just spent the entire last year planning to build around John Wall. Favors is more of a center and they already have Brook Lopez. The fact that neither has a jump shot means they aren't a good match on the offensive side of things. Milsap, who hit in the high 40% range of his mid range jumpers would compliment Brook better. If the Jazz could snag him I think they would have a devastating front court in a couple years with the offensively talented 7'2 Tomic and Favors as the defensive stopper.
 
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