Move On From Hayward?

[fishonjazz]

The best part of this is that it's complete deja vu from 2 years ago. A bunch of people here complaining abut how Hayward isn't good enough and me telling them otherwise. We sign Hayward, everyone is pissed off and Im just telling them Hayward is going to live up to it. What does Hayward do? He lives up to it. I know the exact same **** is going to happen again and I will be serving out an extra serving of crow this time next year when Hayward gets that max deal. Can't wait to bump these post liked I bumped Bentley's post about Hayward not being worth 7 million dollars a year.

Ya it's a great thing we signed him to his current max deal. Look all the playoff wins and all star appearances that came from it.

If let him leave we might have got a better pick the next year and have a (potentially) better player than him.

Now because we matched his offer from Charlotte we get the reward of hoping he becomes our star that can make us contenders and signing him to an astronomical contact.
So glad it worked out so great.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Im not saying Hayward won't get max. I'm saying I wouldn't pay him it.
I also wouldn't sign hibbert, melo, rose, love, gordon, johnson, howard, kanter, harris, parsons, middleton, gallinari, or jackson to a max deal. I think those teams made a mistake and many of them probably regret it. I mean look at the teams of those players. Are they contenders due to those players? Loves team is but they might be better without him. Johnsons team was pretty good but not mainly due to him.

Bosh and millsap I probably wouldn't max either.
Wade, butler, and thompson are better than Hayward imo and more deserving of the max.

Butler/Thompson arguable, but I disagree. Thompson is great, but is also a product of a great team. Butler is equal to Hayward, but he really wrecked his team this year with public comments and his lack of 3pt shot.

Wade isnt better than Hayward anymore, not by a long-shot

For one, you can nearly guarantee Wade missed 20 games a year. He was healthy this year, but his stats where worse than Hayward's and he offers no floor spacing at all. He also isnt the defender Hayward is. To say Wade is better is simply looking at what he use to do and his reputation. Hayward averages more points on less shots and gets to the FT line more. He is more "alpha" than current Wade is.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ya it's a great thing we signed him to his current max deal. Look all the playoff wins and all star appearances that came from it.

Back to extreme level idiocy. Has maxing Hayward prevented us from competing? Or is it injuries and lack of spending on rotation pieces?

 

[fishonjazz]

Butler/Thompson arguable, but I disagree. Thompson is great, but is also a product of a great team. Butler is equal to Hayward, but he really wrecked his team this year with public comments and his lack of 3pt shot.

Wade isnt better than Hayward anymore, not by a long-shot

For one, you can nearly guarantee Wade missed 20 games a year. He was healthy this year, but his stats where worse than Hayward's and he offers no floor spacing at all. He also isnt the defender Hayward is. To say Wade is better is simply looking at what he use to do and his reputation. Hayward averages more points on less shots and gets to the FT line more. He is more "alpha" than current Wade is.

I agree about wade. But they landed a young wade in the draft. Prime wade (that they acquired through the draft) is a million times better than Hayward.

The jazz need to draft someone better than Hayward like a lot of teams have done. I think it will happen soon (or a current player will eclipse him).

I just don't think he is all that good.

We just disagree on that basic simple thing. This conversation has no reason to continue.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree about wade. But they landed a young wade in the draft. Prime wade (that they acquired through the draft) is a million times better than Hayward.

The jazz need to draft someone better than Hayward like a lot of teams have done. I think it will happen soon (or a current player will eclipse him).

I just don't think he is all that good.

We just disagree on that basic simple thing. This conversation has no reason to continue.

This is a joke.

 

[fishonjazz]

Back to extreme level idiocy. Has maxing Hayward prevented us from competing? Or is it injuries and lack of spending on rotation pieces?

Maybe without hayward we would have felt the need to be more aggressive in trades, or free agency. Maybe we would have had a different position in the draft and got a better player. Hell since hayward is so damn good maybe we would have sucked really bad last season without him and got lucky with the ping pong balls and drafted KAT.
I am not a future predicting fortune teller.

 

[fishonjazz]

This is a joke.

No, you have convinced me. Hayward is awesome and we will never have anyone better ever again. Give him whatever he wants. Hayward is the man.

 

[fishonjazz]

Butler/Thompson arguable, but I disagree. Thompson is great, but is also a product of a great team.

Hayward greater than thompson. Lol

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Maybe without hayward we would have felt the need to be more aggressive in trades, or free agency. Maybe we would have had a different position in the draft and got a better player. Hell since hayward is so damn good maybe we would have sucked really bad last season without him and got lucky with the ping pong balls and drafted KAT.
I am not a future predicting fortune teller.

So by having a less competitive team that would have made the Jazz more aggressive in FA? That makes sense.

Maybe we would have had a different position and gotten a worse player or the same player (if you believe the Jazz actually liked the players we took). That outcome is just as likely, if not more (considering Im pretty damn happy with Exum and Lyles) likely.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hayward greater than thompson. Lol

Gets to the FT line more, more rebounds, more assist. Is the leader player of his team and not a guy receiving the benefit of the greatest player in the game and the best passing big man in the NBA.

But lol. Crazy to think Hayward would be a much better player if he was surrounded by Curry/Green.

 

[fishonjazz]

So by having a less competitive team that would have made the Jazz more aggressive in FA? That makes sense.

Maybe we would have had a different position and gotten a worse player or the same player (if you believe the Jazz actually liked the players we took). That outcome is just as likely, if not more (considering Im pretty damn happy with Exum and Lyles) likely.

I agree. There is no way to know what would have happened. I'm not a fortune teller. I do know what has happened. (Not an all star yet. No playoffs yet. Going to have to pay him over 30 million dollars. Shooting percentages from three and overall declined)


I don't like what has happened with him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree. There is no way to know what would have happened. I'm not a fortune teller. I do know what has happened. (Not an all star yet. No playoffs yet. Going to have to pay him over 30 million dollars. Shooting percentages from three and overall declined)


I don't like what has happened with him.

Yeah, your opinion is just wrong, I'm sorry.

This the same story from 2 years ago, only now the % of the cap is slightly more. The huge increase in pay makes it seem like a lot more, but everyone is getting paid a lot more. You are letting the emotion of a NBA player getting paid a ridiculous amount of money stand in the way of proper judgement.