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Name a player that wouldve won Stockton & Malone rings.




NUMBERICA

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Crazy that in the 97-98 season the Jazz were dead last in 3pt attempts per game despite being 5th best at making them. Bryon Russell is one of those dudes who if you put him in the modern era he's probably a drastically more impactful player.
That is very frustrating and maybe even painful to read.
 

The Thriller

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By the time jazz reached the finals Stockton was heading down hill fast. Malone carried those teams.
True. I also just noticed how small and… not dynamic he was. Maybe it’s because we’ve been spoiled with ridiculous guard play over the past 20 years. But I really thought his lack of size AND his unselfishness were real detriments. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the NBA game has changed a lot, but I’d say about every 3 possessions Stockton had a good look but would pass it up. Often, his good look was better than the resulting turnover due to Chicago’s length (Kukoc, Pippen, Jordan, Harper, etc). Had he been more selfish or bigger to be able to see over the defense (like Nash or Kidd) maybe it would’ve been enough to put us over the top? Prime Dwill would’ve been real good. He could’ve run our sets while still being a dynamic enough threat to make Chicago pay.

As you said, he was headed down fast. In 97 he averaged 15 pts and 9 assists. By 1998 it was down to 9 pts (22 % from 3) and 9 assists in 32 mins. That’s just not going to get it done. Quite frankly, it’s sort of amazing how little criticism he gets compared to Malone. Malone “struggled” by averaging 25 pts, 10.5 rebounds, 1 block all while shooting 50 % from the field.

To make our PG situation worse, it’s not like we had a guard who could be the “change of pace” guy like Clarkson played last year. Eisley was a pass first undersized guard as well. Just to compare, Conley averaged 9 pts (20 % from 3) and 5 assists in 29 mins in that horrific Dallas series. Similar numbers to Stockton (and we wonder why we suffered an early 1st round exit? Conley was worthless against Dallas).
 

LogGrad98

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True. I also just noticed how small and… not dynamic he was. Maybe it’s because we’ve been spoiled with ridiculous guard play over the past 20 years. But I really thought his lack of size AND his unselfishness were real detriments. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the NBA game has changed a lot, but I’d say about every 3 possessions Stockton had a good look but would pass it up. Often, his good look was better than the resulting turnover due to Chicago’s length (Kukoc, Pippen, Jordan, Harper, etc). Had he been more selfish or bigger to be able to see over the defense (like Nash or Kidd) maybe it would’ve been enough to put us over the top? Prime Dwill would’ve been real good. He could’ve run our sets while still being a dynamic enough threat to make Chicago pay.

As you said, he was headed down fast. In 97 he averaged 15 pts and 9 assists. By 1998 it was down to 9 pts (22 % from 3) and 9 assists in 32 mins. That’s just not going to get it done. Quite frankly, it’s sort of amazing how little criticism he gets compared to Malone. Malone “struggled” by averaging 25 pts, 10.5 rebounds, 1 block all while shooting 50 % from the field.

To make our PG situation worse, it’s not like we had a guard who could be the “change of pace” guy like Clarkson played last year. Eisley was a pass first undersized guard as well. Just to compare, Conley averaged 9 pts (20 % from 3) and 5 assists in 29 mins in that horrific Dallas series. Similar numbers to Stockton (and we wonder why we suffered an early 1st round exit? Conley was worthless against Dallas).
You shut your filthy whore mouth. Stockton was a god. End of story.
 

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In 96-97 and 97-98 I didn't want to see just the Utah Jazz win a championship, I wanted to see Stockton and Malone win a championship. It had been such a journey with so much pain and sacrifice and determination to keep trying. Even in that era there really wasn't another franchise that would have kept the team together to try again and again after all their false starts, near misses and outright failures. If they had traded Stockton to put some random player next to Malone and that team would have won it would have meant half as much to me as it would have meant to watch Stockton and Malone beat Jordan and the Bulls.

I really wouldn't trade that opportunity for Stockton and Malone to beat Jordan and the Bulls for a championship, even falling short, for an actual NBA Championship any other way.

My first game that I went to not a fan of the Jazz was in '92, I left a fan of the Jazz for life. It was against the Bulls, it went triple overtime and the Jazz won. I was days before I got my voice back. I think Madonna went back in time and made a song about what it would have been like for me if the Jazz had beaten the Bulls for a championship.

 

Keefe

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**** this crybaby talk. Malone needs to hit those free throws in game one in 97. And not disappear in other moments. Or have some court awareness and not let Jordan strip him of the ball in 98.
 

Gameface

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**** this crybaby talk. Malone needs to hit those free throws in game one in 97. And not disappear in other moments. Or have some court awareness and not let Jordan strip him of the ball in 98.
He had a reputation his entire NBA career of choking in the playoffs. It wasn't based on nothing.
 

The Thriller

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**** this crybaby talk. Malone needs to hit those free throws in game one in 97. And not disappear in other moments. Or have some court awareness and not let Jordan strip him of the ball in 98.
Stockton giving Malone the ball before Hornacek cleared the paint was a stupid mistake. Why pass the ball to the post player whose back is turned to two defenders? One of them being Jordan, a ****ing ball hawk. What good was stockton trying to accomplish here with 15+ left on the shot clock?

Also, if that’s Kerr trying to defend prime Dwill… LOL… that’s bbq chicken right there.


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Which is why it’s hard for me to watch these games after being spoiled for so many years watching so much damn good guard play. The NBA guards today are just so damn big, athletic, or skilled. Kerr on an island trying to defend top guards would be bbq chicken for most. These are the matchups CP3, Young, Murray, Brunson, Spida, DLil, Morrant, and Curry would live for. Hell, even 2nd tier guard like Clarkson exploits this matchup, laughing his way to the cup.

Unfortunately, Stockton didn’t have the size, athleticism, or the attitude at this stage of his career to burn Kerr.
 

The Thriller

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Crazy that in the 97-98 season the Jazz were dead last in 3pt attempts per game despite being 5th best at making them. Bryon Russell is one of those dudes who if you put him in the modern era he's probably a drastically more impactful player.
Can confirm. Bruss was very serviceable. The wings on that team were decent. Brus and anderson were good. Like I said before, the weakness of that team wasn’t the wings. If anything, Anderson and Bruss would’ve been our best wings last year. Both were better than Royce.
 

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In 96-97 and 97-98 I didn't want to see just the Utah Jazz win a championship, I wanted to see Stockton and Malone win a championship. It had been such a journey with so much pain and sacrifice and determination to keep trying. Even in that era there really wasn't another franchise that would have kept the team together to try again and again after all their false starts, near misses and outright failures. If they had traded Stockton to put some random player next to Malone and that team would have won it would have meant half as much to me as it would have meant to watch Stockton and Malone beat Jordan and the Bulls.

I really wouldn't trade that opportunity for Stockton and Malone to beat Jordan and the Bulls for a championship, even falling short, for an actual NBA Championship any other way.

My first game that I went to not a fan of the Jazz was in '92, I left a fan of the Jazz for life. It was against the Bulls, it went triple overtime and the Jazz won. I was days before I got my voice back. I think Madonna went back in time and made a song about what it would have been like for me if the Jazz had beaten the Bulls for a championship.


Do you remember when Rodman was on San Antonio and was dating Madonna and she came to the Delta Center for a game?
 


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