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Name a player that wouldve won Stockton & Malone rings.


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Do you remember when Rodman was on San Antonio and was dating Madonna and she came to the Delta Center for a game?
Only vaguely since you suggested it into my memory just now.

I do remember that's around the time we dubbed him "the worm."
 


Coach Ellis

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They should’ve just kept Dominique Wilkins. Hopefully they still would’ve ended up with Stockton and Malone, but the Jazz never should’ve made that trade.
 

JimLes

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On June 2nd 1996, the Jazz lost to the Sonics in the game 7 of the WCF. I remember watching this late in the morning CET on a German satellite channel. The Jazz should've won that game and the series, but Karl's FT touch deserted him in both game 4 and game 7.

Here are all the transactions the Jazz organization would make over the next 3(three!) years.

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JimLes

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This is what hurts. The Jazz were oh-so-close to winning at least one championship, but in those 3 years, not one move was made to actually improve the team. I'm not talking about getting a star like teams might do today or even a decent starter. Just someone who wasn't a net negative, It would've taken so little to push us over the top, but in 3 years, these are the moves the team made. It's heartbreaking.

Let's start at the top. I get that Felton Spencer wasn't good, but it'd be nice to have traded him for something other than two players who would never score a point for the Jazz and a future pick. That the Jazz didn't make another trade until Feb 1999 is...mindboggling. And even that trade was for Todd effin' Fuller. The Jazz signed a bunch of players, but these were end-of-the-bench guys who ended up getting cut later in the season. Or they were Stephen Howard, which might actually be even worse.

The Jazz get to the Finals, lose some close, heartbreaking games, and then do absolutely nothing. Jacque Vaughn was drafted to play behind Eisley. That's it. Oh, and William Cunningham was signed to two 10-day contracts, and somehow ended up starting two games. I remember watching one of the two and doing a double take. I had no idea the Jazz had even signed someone. Of, course, the Jazz lose another close Finals series in possibly even more heart-breaking fashion.

The Bulls get broken up and the Jazz were now the title favourites once the lockout ended, but again, no moves of any kind. The Jazz draft Nazr Mohammed and promptly trade him. Now, I'm not saying rookie Mohammed would've made a difference, but could he not be traded for something other than a draft pick? And I get that players didn't want to play in Utah and all that crap, but this is a team that just went to two straight finals and have kept their core intact and just saw their biggest rivals dismantled. You can't tell me the best you could do is 4 players who were CBA level and the corpse of Thurl Bailey. The Spurs signed Elie and Kersey for free that year and the Blazers signed Greg Anthony and Jim Jackson.

It especially hurts because with 10 games to go, the Jazz were 32-8 and 2 games ahead of the Blazers and 4 games ahead of the Spurs. The aging and rusty(lockout) Jazz team would finish 5-5 and find themselves in a three-way tie with the two teams above and end up 3rd because of tie-breakers, meaning no HC advantage beyond the first round. Just a little bit of help and a few younger, fresher legs might have made the difference. The Spurs weren't quite that good yet, and the Knicks were in the Finals to make up numbers, for the most part. It's just infuriating how incompetent the front office was.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Stockton giving Malone the ball before Hornacek cleared the paint was a stupid mistake. Why pass the ball to the post player whose back is turned to two defenders? One of them being Jordan, a ****ing ball hawk. What good was stockton trying to accomplish here with 15+ left on the shot clock?

Also, if that’s Kerr trying to defend prime Dwill… LOL… that’s bbq chicken right there.


View: https://youtu.be/MlzL6bT1C2U


Which is why it’s hard for me to watch these games after being spoiled for so many years watching so much damn good guard play. The NBA guards today are just so damn big, athletic, or skilled. Kerr on an island trying to defend top guards would be bbq chicken for most. These are the matchups CP3, Young, Murray, Brunson, Spida, DLil, Morrant, and Curry would live for. Hell, even 2nd tier guard like Clarkson exploits this matchup, laughing his way to the cup.

Unfortunately, Stockton didn’t have the size, athleticism, or the attitude at this stage of his career to burn Kerr.

The difference in eras is insane. Every single player besides the dude guarding Stockton is touching the paint.
 

The Thriller

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This is what hurts. The Jazz were oh-so-close to winning at least one championship, but in those 3 years, not one move was made to actually improve the team. I'm not talking about getting a star like teams might do today or even a decent starter. Just someone who wasn't a net negative, It would've taken so little to push us over the top, but in 3 years, these are the moves the team made. It's heartbreaking.

Let's start at the top. I get that Felton Spencer wasn't good, but it'd be nice to have traded him for something other than two players who would never score a point for the Jazz and a future pick. That the Jazz didn't make another trade until Feb 1999 is...mindboggling. And even that trade was for Todd effin' Fuller. The Jazz signed a bunch of players, but these were end-of-the-bench guys who ended up getting cut later in the season. Or they were Stephen Howard, which might actually be even worse.

The Jazz get to the Finals, lose some close, heartbreaking games, and then do absolutely nothing. Jacque Vaughn was drafted to play behind Eisley. That's it. Oh, and William Cunningham was signed to two 10-day contracts, and somehow ended up starting two games. I remember watching one of the two and doing a double take. I had no idea the Jazz had even signed someone. Of, course, the Jazz lose another close Finals series in possibly even more heart-breaking fashion.

The Bulls get broken up and the Jazz were now the title favourites once the lockout ended, but again, no moves of any kind. The Jazz draft Nazr Mohammed and promptly trade him. Now, I'm not saying rookie Mohammed would've made a difference, but could he not be traded for something other than a draft pick? And I get that players didn't want to play in Utah and all that crap, but this is a team that just went to two straight finals and have kept their core intact and just saw their biggest rivals dismantled. You can't tell me the best you could do is 4 players who were CBA level and the corpse of Thurl Bailey. The Spurs signed Elie and Kersey for free that year and the Blazers signed Greg Anthony and Jim Jackson.

It especially hurts because with 10 games to go, the Jazz were 32-8 and 2 games ahead of the Blazers and 4 games ahead of the Spurs. The aging and rusty(lockout) Jazz team would finish 5-5 and find themselves in a three-way tie with the two teams above and end up 3rd because of tie-breakers, meaning no HC advantage beyond the first round. Just a little bit of help and a few younger, fresher legs might have made the difference. The Spurs weren't quite that good yet, and the Knicks were in the Finals to make up numbers, for the most part. It's just infuriating how incompetent the front office was.
The more things change the more they stay the same. Could’ve drafted Bane… went with Doka. Could’ve drafted Herb Jones went with Butler (when we already had a glut of PGs). The incompetence over the last 3 years doomed the Gobert/Mitchell era.
 

Release the Kraken

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The more things change the more they stay the same. Could’ve drafted Bane… went with Doka. Could’ve drafted Herb Jones went with Butler (when we already had a glut of PGs). The incompetence over the last 3 years doomed the Gobert/Mitchell era.
True, but when you hear who put that runner-up Celtics squad together and look at our growing pick cache, help is on the horizon!
 

Release the Kraken

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One can only hope…

We still need to unload Mitchell. Those minny picks (that’ll be late 1st round) aren’t going to be near enough to rebuild.
Good point! Hopefully Mitchell’s stock rises and we get those picks. If it doesn’t and we get more of the same - a test to see if Ainge can locate this year’s Bane and Jones. Always a few sleepers in the mix.
 

Thee Idiotic Minivan K

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They should’ve just kept Dominique Wilkins. Hopefully they still would’ve ended up with Stockton and Malone, but the Jazz never should’ve made that trade.
I think the jazz probably pick a few slots later

Eaton
Dantley// Bailey
Wilkins
Griffith
Green// Stockton


That’s a pretty stacked team in 84 that team might be picking in the 20’s instead of 13, Malone is probably gone before their pick comes up. Stockton is probably still the pick in 84.
 

Jazz Spazz

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Yea, if Stock was the perfect combination of Curry, Westbrook... and well... himself... we would have won a million championships. He would grab the defensive rebound, go coast to coast, try to dunk it, back rim it, get his own rebound, step back for a three, and before he hits it do a shimmy, after it splashes he would put it to bed and saunter down the court until it's time to play defense.
Then on other plays, when he has to he will pass the ball to Malone and only Malone to boost his assist numbers. Forget those other yokels, they don't deserve the rock.

Boom... dynasty.
 


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