Name a player that wouldve won Stockton & Malone rings.

[The Fresh Prince]

meh, allan houston wasn't much better than hornacek - if at all. Houston back then was about a 15-18 ppg guy, but his TS% in 97 and 98 was abysmal. low .500s. Jeff Hornacek was about 12-14 ppg but his TS% for back then was pretty elite in the high .500s. there was no contest in terms of efficiency. Houston, i think one could argue was better defensively, but he was no world beater on that end either. Hornacek was the far superior passer/playmaker.

yeah, the more i look at it and think about it, Hornacek was absolutely a better player. the only thing Houston had on Horny was maybe defense, but again, not by much. if we can't choose stars from back then - give me an elite wing defender like Eddie Jones, Ron Harper, Aaron McKie - somebody who could at least make things tough on MJ.

Hornacek at the end of his career was not better than Houston at age 26-31. Hornacek couldn't create his shot like Allan, nor was he as clutch as Allan, and he couldn't attack the basket as well, nor was he as athletic as Houston. (Btw 1999 Playoffs Houston was hitting clutch basket after clutch basket). The problem with Houston is his unselfish play, he'd take the backseat for Latrell, Grant Hill, but that's exactly what we needed. We needed a guy who'd occasionally go off for 30-40 points like Houston, hit a clutch basket when we needed it. And I'm certain Stockton wouldve set Houston up far better than Sprewell, Ward & Chris Child's were.

Hornacek, I believe only had one 30 point game 97-retirement.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

@MeloTheJazzKiller why is H20 so criminally underrated and hated on by hoop fans?

People really think a washed up Hornacek who averaged 7 ppg in the Finals was better than Houston in his PRIME.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Watch how Houston, though red hot gets role players like Kurt Thomas, and Chris Child's involved.

Look at how he creates shots for himself out of a triple threat, isos. This is what we desperately needed in the 90s was a player that could take the game over on any level of the floor.

If you don't think Allan would've thrived in a selfless system like Sloan's, idk what to tell you.

Btw this was the game that took NY to the Finals. Who stepped up? Allan Houston. Was Hornacek doing this in 96? 97? 98? 99!?

 

[Elizah Huge]

meh, allan houston wasn't much better than hornacek - if at all. Houston back then was about a 15-18 ppg guy, but his TS% in 97 and 98 was abysmal. low .500s. Jeff Hornacek was about 12-14 ppg but his TS% for back then was pretty elite in the high .500s. there was no contest in terms of efficiency. Houston, i think one could argue was better defensively, but he was no world beater on that end either. Hornacek was the far superior passer/playmaker.

yeah, the more i look at it and think about it, Hornacek was absolutely a better player. the only thing Houston had on Horny was maybe defense, but again, not by much. if we can't choose stars from back then - give me an elite wing defender like Eddie Jones, Ron Harper, Aaron McKie - somebody who could at least make things tough on MJ.

Hornacek also had the privilege of playing with Stockton and playing off of Malone as well.

 

[MeloTheJazzKiller]

@MeloTheJazzKiller why is H20 so criminally underrated and hated on by hoop fans?

Houston will always be remembered in NY for that one play that beat the Heat in the playoffs. Unfortunately, Houston became part of Knicks management (assistant GM or something) and we kind of don't think much of those guys here in NY.

And for what it's worth, I never compared the two directly, but as they were playing, I always thought Hornacek was a better guy to have on a team than Houston.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Houston will always be remembered in NY for that one play that beat the Heat in the playoffs. Unfortunately, Houston became part of Knicks management (assistant GM or something) and we kind of don't think much of those guys here in NY.

And for what it's worth, I never compared the two directly, but as they were playing, I always thought Hornacek was a better guy to have on a team than Houston.

Both in their prime it’s Jeff Hornacek no doubt but the time period we are talking about, Jeff was pretty much running on fumes and two shot knees and Houston was in his prime.

 

[MeloTheJazzKiller]

Both in their prime it’s Jeff Hornacek no doubt but the time period we are talking about, Jeff was pretty much running on fumes and two shot knees and Houston was in his prime.

You are correct, Hornacek in prime over Houston in his prime.

We know you can't judge athletes at the time their careers intersected. Friggin' Trevor Berbick beat the Holy Hell out of Muhammad Ali. That ain't happening with those guys both in their prime years.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Houston will always be remembered in NY for that one play that beat the Heat in the playoffs. Unfortunately, Houston became part of Knicks management (assistant GM or something) and we kind of don't think much of those guys here in NY.

And for what it's worth, I never compared the two directly, but as they were playing, I always thought Hornacek was a better guy to have on a team than Houston.

He runs the Westchester Knicks, their G-League affiliate. Lol.

I'm not saying Hornacek was a bad player. He was a great addition to our squad, no doubt. Had a great stroke from 3. I'm convinced a lot of people never watched Houston play by how underrated he is. The guy could do superstar ****. **** Hornacek could never do. I NEVER seen Hornacek triple threat an opponent, face up and splash a 3 or a mid range in their face. I never seen Hornacek triple threat, fake his defender out and blow by him and convert an and 1.

Allan Houston is criminally underrated.

Maybe Houston is underrated because of the Van Gundy system that didn't have him as the primary scoring option. Maybe Houston didn't want to be the face of a franchise the first 3-4 years he was a Knick and enjoyed the role of stepping up when his team needed him. (Still a 2x All Star during that span)

He showed he could stuff the stat sheet, in his 30's at that in 02-04 before his knee injuries when he lit the Lakers up for 53, then the Bucks for 50 a month later. Almost 23 ppg.

I just can't see how people think Hornacek, who couldn't create his shot anywhere close to Houston, or finish at the basket as well is better than Houston. It's actually quite baffling, and shows a bias that JazzFanz have for their alma mater. Houston's 99 playoff run where he eliminated Miami, and then took over and eliminated the Pacers with 30 points shows what the man was capable of. Hornacek never stepped up and took over in the playoffs when the Jazz needed to.

You give Stockton and Malone Allan Houston, in his prime you're sitting on 2, maybe 3 rings.

You also don't get blown out by 40 by Chicago in the Finals.



Houston is starting at SF (he's naturally a shooting guard) guarding a man who traditionally plays Center at the start of the game (Adam Keefe).

Jeff Hornacek almost inexistent through 2 quarters.

Houston? Anytime he gets usage he makes making something special happen.

Look at the talent on this Jazz squad. Very, very mediocre outside of Stock and Malone, yet 2nd place in the West. How Stockton and Malone got the most out of a team with a old Hornacek and scrubs shows how legendary they were. All you needed was a guy like Houston who could put the ball on the floor, create shots, finish at the basket, erupt for 30+ on any given night and the Jazz wouldve had championship banners in the rafters.

Especially if you had Hornacek coming off the bench as a 6th man behind Houston.

But yeah, 2x All Star Allan Houston > 1x All Star Jeff Hornacek is the hill I'll die on.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Both in their prime it’s Jeff Hornacek no doubt but the time period we are talking about, Jeff was pretty much running on fumes and two shot knees and Houston was in his prime.

Why is there no doubt bro? What did Jeff Hornacek do better than Allan Houston? Their styles of play were completely different if we're being honest. I just can't see Hornacek being capable of doing the things Houston could do. Maybe Jeff was a better transitional player, but I never seen Hornacek dominate the way Houston did numerous times.

 

[trentban22]

I love Starks, wish we had him a bit earlier in his prime

 

[infection]

I love Starks, wish we had him a bit earlier in his prime

I was excited when we signed him, thinking we were getting NYK Starks. I was… underwhelmed.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Why is there no doubt bro? What did Jeff Hornacek do better than Allan Houston? Their styles of play were completely different if we're being honest. I just can't see Hornacek being capable of doing the things Houston could do. Maybe Jeff was a better transitional player, but I never seen Hornacek dominate the way Houston did numerous times.

Better shooter, better overall game IMO