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Red
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This. In a nutshell.
Clinton brought the alt right front and center yesterday in her Reno speech. Since she's far from a gifted speaker, probably easier to read the transcript of her comments:
https://www.vox.com/2016/8/25/12647810/hillary-clinton-speech-alt-right
And here is the new Clinton attack ad, linking Trump to the extreme right:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-ad-kkk-trump-227404
And an alt right response to Clinton's speech:
https://www.amren.com/news/2016/08/hillary-clinton-and-the-alt-right/
Red
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And here is a proposed alt right statement of principles:
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html#comment-form
"But the impact Clinton’s speech has had—eliciting so many gleeful responses from the very people she was denouncing—also reflects just how difficult it is to stop the alt-right movement from metastasizing."
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html#comment-form
"But the impact Clinton’s speech has had—eliciting so many gleeful responses from the very people she was denouncing—also reflects just how difficult it is to stop the alt-right movement from metastasizing."
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Red
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The alt right thanks Clinton....
https://www.wired.com/2016/08/alt-rights-dark-army-racist-trolls-just-great-day/
https://www.wired.com/2016/08/alt-rights-dark-army-racist-trolls-just-great-day/
I wouldn't waste the time. It's essentially attempting to break various characteristics of conservatives up into separate radical factions complete with new titles, and then sew them all back together as some conglomerate movement working to return us to the imperial world. Throw in White Supremacists and a few Hitler quotes and you have a completed article.
Another way to put it is some intellect coming off the tracks trying way too hard to come up with her own special new term.
I did like some of the earlier alt-right stuff, however.
That's not a fair assessment of the article. It's about the hostility of the alt-right toward mainstream conservatives, and their attempts to shift the movement toward culture-issues instead of policy-issues. i.e. white nationalism.
Jonah
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It’s easy to not take the alt-right seriously because their views are so outlandish. But that’s Trump. He wallows in the outlandish.
Trump has pandered to the alt-right movement from the very beginnings of his presidential run and recently formalized the connection when he hired Steve Bannon to run his campaign. Until taking a leave of absence to work with Trump, Bannon was chief executive of Breitbart News, a popular news and opinion website that he personally transformed from conservative anti-establishment into alt-right, white nationalist advocacy over the past several years.
Clinton’s speech yesterday was an attempt to isolate Trump from the Republican Party by linking him to far-right, white supremacists and she lumped the alt-right into the same generic pot. But the alt-right has their own distinct brand of crazy.
Summary of alt-nuts in a nutshell: they trend younger than other white supremacy factions, which helps explain their major distinguishing feature: they have given up on democracy. They acknowledge demographic trends and see their future as forever diminished if free elections are allowed to continue. So they dream of dictatorship by CEO, a technocratic authoritarian, and Trump is their flawed savior (they recognize his ordinary intellect), but if Trump were able to win in November, they actually hope he will institute martial law, and thereby end democracy before the more melanin-enabled reach a tipping point of power in deciding national elections.
Trump has pandered to the alt-right movement from the very beginnings of his presidential run and recently formalized the connection when he hired Steve Bannon to run his campaign. Until taking a leave of absence to work with Trump, Bannon was chief executive of Breitbart News, a popular news and opinion website that he personally transformed from conservative anti-establishment into alt-right, white nationalist advocacy over the past several years.
Clinton’s speech yesterday was an attempt to isolate Trump from the Republican Party by linking him to far-right, white supremacists and she lumped the alt-right into the same generic pot. But the alt-right has their own distinct brand of crazy.
Summary of alt-nuts in a nutshell: they trend younger than other white supremacy factions, which helps explain their major distinguishing feature: they have given up on democracy. They acknowledge demographic trends and see their future as forever diminished if free elections are allowed to continue. So they dream of dictatorship by CEO, a technocratic authoritarian, and Trump is their flawed savior (they recognize his ordinary intellect), but if Trump were able to win in November, they actually hope he will institute martial law, and thereby end democracy before the more melanin-enabled reach a tipping point of power in deciding national elections.
I really hate to see intelligent folks lathered in rhetoric of this sort. The impulse to assume one's views are inherently superior is not isolated to the po white uneducated lower middle class trailer trash, yo.
There is a reaction some people have when, say, a white middle class working young mother is sitting in the pediatrician's office worrying about how she will pay the bills while melanin-enhanced welfare=supported women legal and illegal are having their bills paid for by the government.
The status quo you folks are holding forth as enlightened is actually putting white folks in isolation as the only unprotected class of people who don't have a security net. If you had the character to be consistent in your principles you would immediately start to demand equality under the law for whites.
I recognize political exploitation of "melanin-enhanced+ folks as racism at it finest.
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I've listened to Bannon and others classed as this "alt right" some, and so far as I can make it out, their principles run in the genre of people being people with no distinctions under the law. They might be talking about exploitation of immigrants as a form of slave labor that the government is subsidizing for the benefit of the privileged "cash-endowed" political donor class, though.
Hillary is an unconscionable corrupt exploiter of the government desperate to misdirect people's attention. Trump is a pretty average member of the donor class whom Hillary wouldn't blanch at taking donations from in practically any back room or dark alley.
Some folks in here, and out there, are political ideologues who wouldn't blanch at inciting race warfare to advance your ideals or agendas politically, and might even be paid stooges for George Soros, for all I know.
Trump is not doing much thinking along racial lines. He would try to end the political dependencies "liberals" have reinforced in the black community and in the latino community, while restoring the significance of national borders as a necessary thing to sound management.
Hillary is an unconscionable corrupt exploiter of the government desperate to misdirect people's attention. Trump is a pretty average member of the donor class whom Hillary wouldn't blanch at taking donations from in practically any back room or dark alley.
Some folks in here, and out there, are political ideologues who wouldn't blanch at inciting race warfare to advance your ideals or agendas politically, and might even be paid stooges for George Soros, for all I know.
Trump is not doing much thinking along racial lines. He would try to end the political dependencies "liberals" have reinforced in the black community and in the latino community, while restoring the significance of national borders as a necessary thing to sound management.
Since the alt-right openly talks about non-whites inherent inferiority (read the American Renaissance article a few posts up for one example out of a million), nobody is gonna buy your defense of them as valiant defenders of equality.
you and the little band of Jazzfanzers in here can't speak for anyone else. What I see in your comment is pure stupidity, a willing if not determined ignorance to make things what they are not to suit your prejudices. You are as ignorant as any "alt right" people there are.
And there are, indeed some people on the net who are pure racists pushing white supremacy. But Bannon, in anything I've heard, is distinguishable from them rhetorically and contextually, as is Trump. To make this your case against Donald Trump is unfounded. You are apparently willing to seize on any issue you can to make a case, whether based on fact or fiction.
If I had heard Bannon or Trump say blacks or latinos have any inferior rights or characteristics, I wouldn't be calling you an ignoramus for claiming they did.
To the contrary, I do see Hillary and Obama pushing racial division.