Never Trump

[franklin]

I would be okay with that party fiscally but it would need to be extremely more socially liberal since they were quite the bigots/racist/sexist.

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That was arguably the most fiscally irresponsible time ever, but that's an entirely separate point.

I don't see us ever going back to the bigotry and racism of the 80's. My vision for the party is more along the lines of actually putting their money where their mouths are. They claim to want to help people succeed (teach a man to fish...) but they try to starve those they look down on. We didn't do that in the '80's, we tried to help people lift themselves out of poverty. The party of today has tried to dismantle every accomplishment it made in the 1980's. Hell, Obama-Hillary care was a product of conservativism and now all they can do is scream about it?

It's the way of the world. The snaking river always changing course.

 

[colton]

Hillary is very much centre-right, with exception to 1) abortion laws; 2) same-sex marriage laws (which I know colton was against just 1-2 years ago); and 3) gun-control. People can cry nepotism, but I'm sure people here would choose Jeb Bush over Hillary.

The rest of her policies are extremely moderate (at best). Her militarism is very much conservative. Hillary is NOT a progressive. Colton is socially conservative from what I can gather, which is why Hillary seems too liberal for him (along with a likely character assessment). I'll let him speak for himself though.

Yes, with Hillary (and with Trump, frankly) it's at least as much a personality/character thing for me as it is a policy thing. I won't get into all of my issues with Hillary but let's just say my dislike of her started with Travelgate and her disdain for stay-at-home mothers (I don't have time to look up the quote right now), and hasn't gotten any better since then with the more recent Bengazi and email scandals, and possible corruption involving the Clinton foundation.

As far as policies go, Trump and Hillary are roughly equidistant from my own views. If someone put a gun to my head and made me vote for one of the two, I'd pick Hillary, though. Her personality/character is less horrible than Trump's (in my opinion) and I at least know what her policies will be, which I can't say about Trump. Trump is much more the classic demagogue and who knows what he would do if he were to obtain power.

 

[colton]

If bernie runs third party, the house is likely to decide the president. Who does paul ryan pick for president? It has to be someone who won at least one state in the electoral college, I think.

Bernie cannot run third party. Too many states have "sore loser" laws which prevent anyone who lost in the primaries for getting on the general election ballot under a different party.

 

[Miggs]

Honestly I think it's more about the person than the policy.

And a lifelong republican in today's political climate may switch party, but will not think about switching to support a Democrat.

That's why bloomberg was so attractive, he is a Democrat sans the label. Smart guy.

My wife's a lifelong Republican but is going to vote for Clinton.

 

[b_line]

Bernie cannot run third party. Too many states have "sore loser" laws which prevent anyone who lost in the primaries for getting on the general election ballot under a different party.

He can run. He won't win, but there's a really good chance he could stop an outright win and let the election go to the house.

Then paul ryan picks the president.

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[NAOS]

He can run. He won't win, but there's a really good chance he could stop an outright win and let the election go to the house.

Then paul ryan picks the president.

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Bernie isn't going to do that.

There's obvious value (from his perspective) in taking the primary all the way to the convention, but he isn't going to split the Democratic vote for Trump

 

[b_line]

My wife's a lifelong Republican but is going to vote for Clinton.

I probably should have added a republican in the west. I know almost nothing about the political climate outside of the mountain west and I am constantly surprised by the rest if the country.

people like your wife are why, barring a third party spoiler candidate, hillary will win in a general election.



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[b_line]

Bernie isn't going to do that.

There's obvious value (from his perspective) in taking the primary all the way to the convention, but he isn't going to split the Democratic vote for Trump

I agree, but it is a possibility.

Who does paul ryan pick for president out of bernie, hillary or trump? They just have to win one state. Hell, utah might even write in mitt Romney to win if the scenario is trump or hillary.

This is a crazy enough year where the winner could be a total shocker. It's totally possible.

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[Miggs]

I probably should have added a republican in the west. I know almost nothing about the political climate outside of the mountain west and I am constantly surprised by the rest if the country.

people like your wife are why, barring a third party spoiler candidate, hillary will win in a general election.

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Is that a bad thing?

 

[b_line]

Is that a bad thing?

No

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[colton]

He can run. He won't win, but there's a really good chance he could stop an outright win and let the election go to the house.

Then paul ryan picks the president.

You're right. I thought sore loser laws were more generally applicable, but this website says that "sore loser laws apply to presidential candidates in only two states: South Dakota and Texas." https://ballotpedia.org/"Sore_loser"_laws_for_presidential_candidates

Edit: although it's the House of Reps in general that picks the president, not Paul Ryan in specific. I wonder if it's a secret ballot? Probably not.

 

[Dr. Jones]

This election should go down as the one that decided the President based on "who lost the least."