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franklin said:
Any spoilers on the direction?

"Honest, wise, and good men should be supported for secular government" --Joseph Smith There's a similar quote from James Madison (yeah, [MENTION=1988]Stoked[/MENTION] I'm name dropping again).

My issue is that we've created an environment where honest and wise people cannot run for office. We have seen plenty extremely honest presidential candidates but they tend to be whack jobs from either the far left end or the far right. I want nothing to do with those types. At the same time, Mitt Romney lost a ton of support for not being honest because voters saw through it. I genuinely did not care that he lied to the R base during the primaries. The people force the candidates to go that route.

I know this will sound crazy but I think Bush was honest, wise, and moral. Why wise? The guy collaborated with Wall Street trying to stop the impending housing crisis that they are still both being blamed for. The common man who has no clue about high finance, history, or economics still believes they created it and were blind to it's build up. This is fully untrue, and Bush tried to save us from ourselves. A wise man.

I think Bill Clinton is honest and wise. Morality is obviously suspect.

I don't know much about Bernie Sanders but it is clear to me that he's honest and speaking from the heart. Unfortunately he is nowhere close to wise.

I find Barnie Frank and Nanci Pelosi extremely wise but not very honest.

Sarah Palin is genuinely honest and apparently moral but not very wise. BTW, how sad was it watching the liberal media drag her daughter through the dirt for getting pregnant? Libbies, if you want your opinions respected stop being hypocrites. Same goes for cons.

Also, I think Glenn Beck is ahead of you writing this book. It's a big talking point of his. You had better hurry up.
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Clinton's honest and wise? He was the ******* who repealed The Glass-Steagall Act and in doing so, helped create the housing crisis, because ya know, everyone deserves a chance at home ownership.
 
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rMERNoQm5DE

Called Trump winning a landslide in the GENERAL last year. Makes several good points....
 
Good article on the energizer bernie. https://www.yahoo.com/news/energizer-bernie-does-sanders-keep-000000095.html
It was well past lunch on a highway in California near the start of Memorial Day weekend, and the reporters on the Bernie Sanders press van were basically begging their handler for some downtime. Maybe after the next event we could swing by the hotel, they asked the press aide. And to each other they wondered, Doesn’t this 74-year-old ever get tired?

But there is rarely time for a break in the Sanders campaign, as staffers and reporters follow a candidate who doesn’t ever seem to slow down. His opponents might consider the relentless pace a metaphor — why doesn’t he just stop running already? But the Vermont senator is currently barnstorming California, a delegate-rich state he sees as his last hope to slow Hillary Clinton’s path to the nomination.On this holiday weekend when Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, had scheduledjust one public event and Hillary Clinton, the most likely Democratic nominee, had nothing public on her schedule, Sanders held one rally after another, interspersed with TV appearances. Ventura, Pomona, and Jimmy Kimmel on Thursday; Long Beach, Inglewood, the Young Turks and Bill Maher on Friday; Santa Barbara, Santa Maria and Bakersfield on Saturday; Visalia and Fresno on Sunday; a few stops in Oakland on Monday.

As he points out at each event, this is the kind of primary campaign this state has never seen. Usually the race is decided by the time California votes. But Sanders is hoping that a big win here, while not enough to overcome Clinton’s lead in pledged delegates, will somehow convince unbound superdelegates to throw their support his way. “We are doing something that to the best of my knowledge has never been done in California political history, holding rallies just like this up and down this state,” he says again and again. “By the end of this, I am confident we will have personally met and spoken to over 200,000 Californians. We will win here, and we will go to the Democratic National Convention with the momentum to make our case.”

So as his staff catnapped in the motorcade and the press hoped for at least a coffee stop, the man himself — call him the Energizer Bernie — was completely “on” at one event after the next, giving his one-hour stump speech at what seemed like full volume over and over again.

“He runs the 25-year-old staffers into the ground,” says one former aide who recently left the campaign, which has shedded team members as Clinton has closed in on the nomination.

Another ex-staffer expressed similar surprise at Sanders’ grueling pace.

“Most candidates half his age would strain under the weight of that schedule. There was one day where he hit five or six states in a single day. I really don’t understand how he does it,” the staffer said.

Dat work ethic doe

#nevertrump

#feel the bern.
 
#bern said:
I'd probly be energetic if I hadn't had a real job for half my life too.
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It's not just energetic though. If you read the article 25 year olds are struggling to keep up with him. He is going to 6 states in one day for rallies. Event after event after event.

Impressive no matter what his work history is. Especially for a 74 year old.

Also, I doubt Clinton or trump have done lots of manual labor all their lives either. I bet they both have been sitting in the lap of luxury with silver spoons in their mouths. They would never campaign this hard even if they had never worked a day in their lives.

Keep hating.
 
#bern said:
I'd probly be energetic if I hadn't had a real job for half my life too.
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This post makes it sound like you think he was lazy up until now.

He grew up in Brooklyn as the youngest of two sons of Jewish immigrants from Poland. His father worked as a paint salesman. As part of a struggling working-class family, Sanders recognized early on America's economic disparity. As he told the Guardian newspaper, "I saw unfairness. That was the major inspiration in my politics," he said.





Sanders attended Brooklyn's James Madison High School and then went on to Brooklyn College. After a year there, he transferred to the University of Chicago. Sanders became involved in the Civil Rights Movement during his university days. He was a member of the Congress of Racial Equality, also known as CORE. With CORE, Sanders participated in a sit-in against the segregation of off-campus housing in 1962. He also served as an organizer for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. In 1963 he participated in the March on Washington.

"It was a question for me of just basic justice — the fact that it was not acceptable in America at that point that you had large numbers of African-Americans who couldn't vote, who couldn't eat in a restaurant, whose kids were going to segregated schools, who couldn't get hotel accommodations living in segregated housing," he told the Burlington Free Press. "That was clearly a major American injustice and something that had to be dealt with."

After finishing college in 1964 with a degree in political science, Sanders lived on a kibbutz in Israel before settling in Vermont. He worked a number of jobs, including filmmaker and freelance writer, psychiatric aide, and teaching low-income children through Head Start, while his interest in politics grew.

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In 1981, he was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont. He was reelected three more times

scored a 1990 win for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Sanders sought to switch to the Senate in 2006, running against Republican businessman Richard Tarrant. he managed to defeat Tarrant despite the latter's much more substantial funding.

During his time in the Senate, Sanders has served on several committees on issues important to him. He is a member of the Committee on Budget; the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; the Committee on Veterans Affairs and the Joint Economic Committee.



So in summary he was born into a poor working class immigrant family in Brooklyn, ended up going to college and getting very involved in the civil rights movement, worked as a filmmaker, writer, psychiatric aide, and teacher for low income children.
Applied/attempted to go to Vietnam during the war but was not accepted due to his age. He was a mayor, he was in the house of representatives, and he was in the Senate.

Sounds like he had quite a few jobs and always had an amazing work ethic.
 
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I like your post Fish, but you summarize by saying the Bernie attempted to serve in Vietnam but in the text above it says that he applied for conscientious objector status, meaning he was trying to be exempted from the draft. That status was denied, but only after he was too old to be drafted.

I don't see that as a knock on him at all. If he objected to the war, which I'm more than willing to assume he did, then he certainly should have done what he could to not participate in it. I personally hope this country never has a draft ever again.
 
It seems like somewhere along the way character, honor, morals, compassion, etc have become very unimportant in factoring into who leads our country.

Seems like what matters most is who has the most money, is the best liar, has the biggest ego, and who can best slander their opponent and the people of their opponents party.
 
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