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Look, Game, ya gotta quit this game. I've known some real intelligence personnel. This is nothing unusual in American history. It's comparable to Reagan and the drugs for guns deals the CIA brokered in Iran-Contra.

The only things that don't happen are the ones that are honest.
 
babe said:
Look, Game, ya gotta quit this game. I've known some real intelligence personnel. This is nothing unusual in American history. It's comparable to Reagan and the drugs for guns deals the CIA brokered in Iran-Contra.

The only things that don't happen are the ones that are honest.
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Iran-contra is so incredibly different than what you're talking about.
 
I am a staunch anti conspiracy theorist, but it also pains me to see those that take it to the point of pitying those that think something could be awry as a conspiracy theorist, per se.

The tinfoil hats drive me nuts, but I don't think they're stupid and low IQ just cuz.. and as much as I don't care to partake, I firmly believe there are enough truths about awfulness that I mostly keep my mouth shut and just stay out of the debate. There's no definitive winning side.
 
Most "conspiracies" that have been uncovered are things that either the conspirators could claim to be working for the greater good (iran contra) or that they did for immediate financial or professional gain.

These long game conspiracies that would require thousands or tens of thousands of co-conspirators, the goal of which is pure evil and destruction, the enslavement of humanity and doesn't have clear benefits to the majority of the necessary conspirators kind of seem unreasonable to me.
 
Gameface said:
Most "conspiracies" that have been uncovered are things that either the conspirators could claim to be working for the greater good (iran contra) or that they did for immediate financial or professional gain.

These long game conspiracies that would require thousands or tens of thousands of co-conspirators, the goal of which is pure evil and destruction, the enslavement of humanity and doesn't have clear benefits to the majority of the necessary conspirators kind of seem unreasonable to me.
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I get past the requirement for huge, impossible numbers of co-conspirators by understanding mob psychology, and the arts of mass manipulation. Human nature is as old as the hills. We form whole cultures on a few shared beliefs, usually unverifiable and always beyond comprehension. religions.

then I remember my work mate, who might have himself been beyond credible belief, telling me what he did when he worked overseas for one of our intelligence outfits, and how they analysed information. talk about conspiracy theorists, this guy could take a farm policy and analyze to predict military operations. Or I remember my other buddy who for six years froze his butt listening to Russian Radio broadcasts, and could tell you who Putin was sleeping with.

So then, what could possibly explain a US high-level decision to stand down during an attack on a US consulate, and the quick attribution of the event to a media incident, while we now know for certain they knew who was attacking, and knew them to be terrorists.

Obama's need for some proxy boots to take out Assad surely isn't all that much of stretch.
 
for the record, I still consider Trump to be a blowhard foil who was manipulated into the race on the Rebpublican side, who is himself incapable of knowing when he is being played.
 
babe said:
I get past the requirement for huge, impossible numbers of co-conspirators by understanding mob psychology, and the arts of mass manipulation. Human nature is as old as the hills. We form whole cultures on a few shared beliefs, usually unverifiable and always beyond comprehension. religions.

then I remember my work mate, who might have himself been beyond credible belief, telling me what he did when he worked overseas for one of our intelligence outfits, and how they analysed information. talk about conspiracy theorists, this guy could take a farm policy and analyze to predict military operations. Or I remember my other buddy who for six years froze his butt listening to Russian Radio broadcasts, and could tell you who Putin was sleeping with.

So then, what could possibly explain a US high-level decision to stand down during an attack on a US consulate, and the quick attribution of the event to a media incident, while we now know for certain they knew who was attacking, and knew them to be terrorists.

Obama's need for some proxy boots to take out Assad surely isn't all that much of stretch.
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How do you keep the mob mentality a secret? What society are they part of?

I think I'm done worrying about this.
 
Gameface said:
How do you keep the mob mentality a secret? What society are they part of?

I think I'm done worrying about this.
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No need to keep it secret if nobody sees it for what it is. Shared beliefs, patriotism, common information sources like major media, create a sort of shared mentality. Hillary Clinton doesn't need to go into a smoke-filled backroom and listen to her muse/her lobbyists/her advisors when she believes stuff that moves her along the path David Rockefeller hopes she'll go. People see things in these politicians that gives them a sense of certainty that, because of a shared view of reality, they will "do the right thing". It's human psychology, and it's predictable for the most part.

Trump scares people because he looks unpredictable. His self-funded autonomy looks damn scary. But the fact that he is pretty basic in his mentality actually makes him more predictable, and in fact he would be a better choice for Pres. in the eyes of a David Rockefeller. He is a better choice for the Bush clan than Mitt Romney. A better choice for the Council on Foreign Relations and United Nations vision of the human destiny than Hillary is. He will get the right things done, border or no border, because he will move through his Presidency listening to "all the right people", and imagine that he is the great deal maker.

The only reason he seems unpredictable to many is because he just hasn't formed all those "right ideas" yet, has no laundry list of ideological imperatives. He just looks at the cash on the bottom of the line.

For a real politician, that is the essential one thing to pay attention to.
 
Any of you read the local letters to the editor?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865653842/Letter-Utah-Republicans.html

I find it dismaying that Utah, which prides itself on being "the reddest state in the union" according to Republican majority party rule, has stubbornly refused to throw support behind Mr. Trump, even as the presumptive nominee.

As a longtime Donald J. Trump for president supporter, having attended the Utah State Republican Party Convention where there had been the overwhelming consensus of "NeverTrump" with the Ted Cruz slate being duly elected, I am enthusiastic and ecstatic that Mr. Trump is now the presumptive nominee.

However, I find it dismaying that Utah, which prides itself on being "the reddest state in the union" according to Republican majority party rule, has stubbornly refused to throw support behind Mr. Trump.

Failed presidential contender Gov. Mitt Romney's blistering contempt for Mr. Trump in a speech exemplifies the presumptuous arrogance by the Republican Party members within the state that are frightened by Mr. Trump with stereotypical conceptions.

There is the likelihood that Utah state might tip to turning blue for the first time since 1964, with many solid Republican people sitting out this election, voting the third party, or even holding their nose to vote Democratic.

If that will be the case, this state will deserve the designation as the guardian of the establishments.

Aaron Heineman
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And

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865654311/Trump-not-Republican.html

In his letter last Sunday ("Utah Republicans," May 8), Aaron Heineman warned that if Utah Republicans don't get behind Donald Trump, there will be dire consequences. I have been an active Republican since I was old enough to vote, but I am also a woman, and Donald Trump is condescending to women. I am pro-life, and Trump has a record of pro-abortion opinions. I am the descendant of immigrants who came here and helped make this country great through hard work and gratitude for the opportunity to better their lives. Trump wants to build a wall. I am a Christian who is trying to live a life of kindness and compassion. Donald Trump is a bully who uses others' weaknesses to make himself look stronger. I believe in the principles of a representative democracy as defined by the Constitution of the United States, a document I am not sure Trump has ever read, as exemplified by all of the things he says he will do regardless of what the American people think. I am a citizen of a quickly changing world with sensitive issues of security that require diplomacy. I am convinced that Trump is no diplomat and would offend anyone who disagreed with him. I am a Republican; Trump is not, and never has been, a real Republican. He is completely unqualified to be president of the United States.

Karen Longmore
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When nutcake republicans from Orem and Provo attack each other from who can be more nutcake republican. Can't wait until November!
 
Trump is the old-style New York brand of Republican: Robber Baron campaigning in the Iowa cornfields from a gilded rolling mansion on a railroad. People love success, or the appearance of success. It speaks volumes to the minds and hearts of every wage-earning laborer who depends on that success to put food on his own table.

The Iideological Republican brandishing documents that hold up the great ideas of the past are more like the progressives brandishing Das Kapital. This election is a public rejection of id3eology.

I'm voting for Trump whatever the hell I think he might do.
 
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