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Stoked said:
The names listed did make me laugh for sure.

Also, lol [MENTION=639]Joe Bagadonuts[/MENTION] for arguing the use of the word "intervention". I even used quotation marks the first time.

Squirrel!!!
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Stoked said:
https://www.slate.com/articles/news...6/08/why_mormons_don_t_like_donald_trump.html

Interesting article about Utah and it's increasingly important place in this race.
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LOL - I read this article earlier this morning. I enjoy Slate Magazine but some of their writers are in liberal La-La Land. Trump got 13% in the primary but he still finished with 8K more votes than Hillary did in the Dem Primary.

A lot of potential votes are up for grabs; so I guess using the loosest definition Utah is in play; certainly more than it has been in my lifetime. But this is still going to be an uphill climb for Hillary and Co.
 
candrew said:
LOL - I read this article earlier this morning. I enjoy Slate Magazine but some of their writers are in liberal La-La Land. Trump got 13% in the primary but he still finished with 8K more votes than Hillary did in the Dem Primary.

A lot of potential votes are up for grabs; so I guess using the loosest definition Utah is in play; certainly more than it has been in my lifetime. But this is still going to be an uphill climb for Hillary and Co.
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What I think will happen is that the D efforts here will drive voters to a 3rd party. As long as it results in the Rs not winning it is a victory for the Ds.
 
Siro said:
Wasn't America great before those PROGRESSIVES shoved gays and minorities down REAL PEOPLE'S throats though? It really was. Just ask babe. He remembers.

But seriously, it cracks me up when people bitch about trophies for participation and "the entitled youth". The youths didn't create this system, you stupid twats. You're the ones giving out the trophies...
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I get what GF was saying but I think both of you are taking this a little bit too far. There is a strong need to make kids, adults, teens earn things. That goes without saying but your mockeries of "conservative values" seem to be discounting that aspect.

Don't get me wrong; I am annoyed as any when it comes to the bitching about lazy millennials living in momma's basement. Cliche's are dumb.
 
Stoked said:
No, it won't. Green, Dems, Libs and no vote is how the vast majority of the Bernie vote will go.
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**** did you just say?

I think babe is on to something here. I've been of the opinion for a long while that Trump's attractiveness has been the outsider combined with saying dumb **** that you would hear in a bar (or by Stoked). He is by far the most populist candidate I have experienced.

You all seem to think that populism does not carry across party lines. This is not the case as Trump is clearly proving right now. His entire campaign has been based on uniting common ground, stupid *** hick America into a whole. Believe it or not, there are many democrat, union dues paying, gun toting Americans who align with the republican platform in every way outside of their own personal paycheck. Trump is capitalizing on that vote.
 
franklin said:
**** did you just say?

I think babe is on to something here. I've been of the opinion for a long while that Trump's attractiveness has been the outsider combined with saying dumb **** that you would hear in a bar (or by Stoked). He is by far the most populist candidate I have experienced.

You all seem to think that populism does not carry across party lines. This is not the case as Trump is clearly proving right now. His entire campaign has been based on uniting common ground, stupid *** hick America into a whole. Believe it or not, there are many democrat, union dues paying, gun toting Americans who align with the republican platform in every way outside of their own personal paycheck. Trump is capitalizing on that vote.
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In his case it will not. Many of them won't embrace his ideas on Muslims and immigration for example. There is nothing to show that Sanders supporters are crossing the line en mass. Nothing. In fact the opposite. Many of the demos Bernie excelled in are dramatically opposed to the R ticket.

Maybe that will change down the road but right now it is not happening. No matter how much you down play it as something I'd say in a bar ;)
 
franklin said:
I get what GF was saying but I think both of you are taking this a little bit too far. There is a strong need to make kids, adults, teens earn things. That goes without saying but your mockeries of "conservative values" seem to be discounting that aspect.

Don't get me wrong; I am annoyed as any when it comes to the bitching about lazy millennials living in momma's basement. Cliche's are dumb.
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I think people still earn things and kids today are no more entitled than kids have ever been and when people bitch that everyone gets a trophy they are pretty clueless because this isn't really some phenomenon that is destroying our way of life.
 
franklin said:
I get what GF was saying but I think both of you are taking this a little bit too far. There is a strong need to make kids, adults, teens earn things. That goes without saying but your mockeries of "conservative values" seem to be discounting that aspect.

Don't get me wrong; I am annoyed as any when it comes to the bitching about lazy millennials living in momma's basement. Cliche's are dumb.
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How am I taking it too far? I haven't expressed an opinion on the subject. I said if you want kids to earn things, then stop giving them trophies for participating. It's the trophy-giver generation's fault. Yet they're the ones complaining.
 
Stoked said:
In his case it will not. Many of them won't embrace his ideas on Muslims and immigration for example. There is nothing to show that Sanders supporters are crossing the line en mass. Nothing. In fact the opposite. Many of the demos Bernie excelled in are dramatically opposed to the R ticket.

Maybe that will change down the road but right now it is not happening. No matter how much you down play it as something I'd say in a bar ;)
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The bar line was a joke, obviously.

You may be right but don't be so sure about it. Look at all of us who generally side with republican values who refuse to vote Trump. There are likely as many if not more who tend to side with current the democratic platform who will cross sides in favor of Trump's populism combined with antiestabdysentaryism and anti-Hillaryism.

Gameface said:
I think people still earn things and kids today are no more entitled than kids have ever been and when people bitch that everyone gets a trophy they are pretty clueless because this isn't really some phenomenon that is destroying our way of life.
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I agree. Side note: I think people feel entitled and should. Entitlement is a broad spectrum tho, just like most things. What's wrong with feeling entitled to getting yours out of this world? Wasn't that a founding principle of democracy, theocracy, autocracy, monarchy, anarchy, and whatever else arcy I'm leaving out?
 
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