Never Trump

[jimmy eat jazz]

I am pasting a link to an article at Slate summarizing research done by Gallup about Trump supporters. The basic takeaway is that Trump supporters (generally speaking) ARE NOT lower-skilled blue collar workers who have been affected advsersely by past or existing trade or immigration policies. They tend to be white (no surprise), relatively well-off (or at least not poorly-off relative to other Republican voters), have not lost jobs to foreigners, either living in or outside of the US, and live in white enclaves (e.g., areas with relatively little racial or ethnic diversity).

Assuming the veracity of these findings, what conclusions might one reach? One conclusion obviously suggested by these findings is that support for Trump is driven, at least in part, by racial/ethnic animosities. While I don't think it's as simple as all that, it does tend to confirm my prior (and that of many others) that support for Trump has a significant nativist component (or in more loaded language, by racism/bigotry). These are not, in other words (and again generally speaking), disgruntled, down-on-their-luck blue collar workers displaced by the modern economy who have lost their jobs to outsourcing, international trade, or to illegal immigrants, they are (to a large extent) white folks nursing imagined racial/ethnic grievance who see Trump as one of their own.

https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_sla...ted_by_trade_or_immigration_at_all_study.html

 

[Boris]

I am pasting a link to an article at Slate summarizing research done by Gallup about Trump supporters. The basic takeaway is that Trump supporters (generally speaking) ARE NOT lower-skilled blue collar workers who have been affected advsersely by past or existing trade or immigration policies. They tend to be white (no surprise), relatively well-off (or at least not poorly-off relative to other Republican voters), have not lost jobs to foreigners, either living in or outside of the US, and live in white enclaves (e.g., areas with relatively little racial or ethnic diversity).

Assuming the veracity of these findings, what conclusions might one reach? One conclusion obviously suggested by these findings is that support for Trump is driven, at least in part, by racial/ethnic animosities. While I don't think it's as simple as all that, it does tend to confirm my prior (and that of many others) that support for Trump has a significant nativist component (or in more loaded language, by racism/bigotry). These are not, in other words (and again generally speaking), disgruntled, down-on-their-luck blue collar workers displaced by the modern economy who have lost their jobs to outsourcing, international trade, or to illegal immigrants, they are (to a large extent) white folks nursing imagined racial/ethnic grievance who see Trump as one of their own.

https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_sla...ted_by_trade_or_immigration_at_all_study.html

So basically he is supported by red states. Genius article, really. Typical of liberal media to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Trump is loved much more in blue states by people of color than any republican for last 50 years.

 

[GVC]

I am pasting a link to an article at Slate summarizing research done by Gallup about Trump supporters. The basic takeaway is that Trump supporters (generally speaking) ARE NOT lower-skilled blue collar workers who have been affected advsersely by past or existing trade or immigration policies. They tend to be white (no surprise), relatively well-off (or at least not poorly-off relative to other Republican voters), have not lost jobs to foreigners, either living in or outside of the US, and live in white enclaves (e.g., areas with relatively little racial or ethnic diversity).

Assuming the veracity of these findings, what conclusions might one reach? One conclusion obviously suggested by these findings is that support for Trump is driven, at least in part, by racial/ethnic animosities. While I don't think it's as simple as all that, it does tend to confirm my prior (and that of many others) that support for Trump has a significant nativist component (or in more loaded language, by racism/bigotry). These are not, in other words (and again generally speaking), disgruntled, down-on-their-luck blue collar workers displaced by the modern economy who have lost their jobs to outsourcing, international trade, or to illegal immigrants, they are (to a large extent) white folks nursing imagined racial/ethnic grievance who see Trump as one of their own.

https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_sla...ted_by_trade_or_immigration_at_all_study.html

I haven't read this whole thread, but in the parts I have read I've seen little discussion of the candidates' websites -- and, by extension, their actual platforms.

1. Trump's site is ridiculously simple. 2 of the 5 categories on his page essentially state '**** brown people' -- the first listed is the wall; the other one is mass deportations/immigration reform. Trump's pandering to racists isn't a leftwing media fabrication (obviously); it accounts for 40% of his campaign homepage.

2. Two other items on the homepage -- i.e., two other main elements of his platform/policy -- help account for the support from the wealthy. His proposed tax policy includes huge tax cuts/breaks for the richest Americans. The Tax Policy Center estimates that it would lead to a reduction of $9.5 trillion in federal tax revenue over 10 years -- before accounting for general eq'm effects (LINK). Anything resembling this plan would require huge cuts in social spending/programs to keep the federal government solvent (the ridiculously expensive wall -- again, the first thing listed on his homepage -- doesn't help). Fortunately, Trump has given us a glimpse of how he might make up for this loss in tax revenue. One of the last two items on his homepage is education reform. The associated shining-esque page is, as far as I can tell, just the words 'the free market' written several thousand times. That should be worrisome for anyone who has any understanding of what market failure is.

So yeah, Trump's domestic policy can be summed up pretty simply -- **** brown people, let's de-fund education (and other social programs), and give money to my rich friends and family. The wealthy -- who would like to buy more yachts and don't depend on social programs -- can get behind the last two items. Since the mainstream media has failed to report on these last two items -- coincidence considering who owns and controls these entities? -- the 'unwashed masses' (heh) can get behind the tribal/racist nonsense.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The most staunch and vocal supporters of Trump within my circle of rumblings are absolutely, white, rich, somewhat obnoxious (but good people though), and uber confident... I have heard NO ONE else, personally, voice support.

 

[Boris]

I haven't read this whole thread, but in the parts I have read I've seen little discussion of the candidates' websites -- and, by extension, their actual platforms.

1. Trump's site is ridiculously simple. 2 of the 5 categories on his page essentially state '**** brown people' -- the first listed is the wall; the other one is mass deportations/immigration reform. Trump's pandering to racists isn't a leftwing media fabrication (obviously); it accounts for 40% of his campaign homepage.

2. Two other items on the homepage -- i.e., two other main elements of his platform/policy -- help account for the support from the wealthy. His proposed tax policy includes huge tax cuts/breaks for the richest Americans. The Tax Policy Center estimates that it would lead to a reduction of $9.5 trillion in federal tax revenue over 10 years -- before accounting for general eq'm effects (LINK). Anything resembling this plan would require huge cuts in social spending/programs to keep the federal government solvent (the ridiculously expensive wall -- again, the first thing listed on his homepage -- doesn't help). Fortunately, Trump has given us a glimpse of how he might make up for this loss in tax revenue. One of the last two items on his homepage is education reform. The associated shining-esque page is, as far as I can tell, just the words 'the free market' written several thousand times. That should be worrisome for anyone who has any understanding of what market failure is.

So yeah, Trump's domestic policy can be summed up pretty simply -- **** brown people, let's de-fund education (and other social programs), and give money to my rich friends and family. The wealthy -- who would like to buy more yachts and don't depend on social programs -- can get behind the last two items. Since the mainstream media has failed to report on these last two items -- coincidence considering who owns and controls these entities? -- the 'unwashed masses' (heh) can get behind the tribal/racist nonsense.

The most staunch and vocal supporters of Trump within my circle of rumblings are absolutely, white, rich, somewhat obnoxious (but good people though), and uber confident... I have heard NO ONE else, personally, voice support.

OMG you people are incredibly simplistic. That is what US media needs. Trump has black people at every rally speaking in favour of his plans for bringing J O B S.
Trump has been outspoken obvious very genuine an caring for 3 decades on helping black poor.
He wants to build a border fence? Okay racist amiright troll face
NO! He wants to secure America WHILE increasing path to citizenship.

Seriously guis, how can you be against THE ONLY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE THAT DOES NOT PUSH DEPORTATION?
I do not get it. This is like Jesus being put on the cross! Trump advocates for all peoples yet you call him racist???

 

[GVC]

Trump has black people at every rally speaking in favour of his plans for bringing J O B S.

What plan?

 

[Dr. Jones]

What plan?

The huge one.

 

[GVC]

The uge one.

fify.

 

[Boris]

What plan?

Have you not read?

He is threat import tax an renegotiate fair free trade agreements but My gut feeling is VAT tax to fund single payer. Double double Ching Ching bonus. Bring jobs back home an fix Obamacare. Canadians an Mexico will get ****ed by this an Americans in the south manufacturing bases will become well off.

 

[Boris]

Here is the deal haters. Trump is the only GOP candidate that kin sell the GOP has become redicous an backwards. He will tell America repubs refuse to negotiate an he will kow tow them into working with real democrats. Hillary is not a real democrat. Many here say she is more like a republican.
Trump will win an he will make America great again cause he knows who needs help an how to do it.

Vote Trump or vote Status Quo. I will be part of history voting Trump.

 

[♪alt13]

The most staunch and vocal supporters of Trump within my circle of rumblings are absolutely, white, rich, somewhat obnoxious (but good people though), and uber confident... I have heard NO ONE else, personally, voice support.

I don't know a single person that supports Trump. He was nominated by winning the votes of about 4% of the electorate. :/

 

[Jonah]

I don't know a single person that supports Trump. He was nominated by winning the votes of about 4% of the electorate. :/

The electorate is the number of eligible voters not the total US population. Trump received about 13 million nominating votes or about 4 percent of the US population (324 million) and about 6 percent of the electorate (estimated at 220 million). In comparison, Clinton received over 15 million nominating votes (7 percent of the electorate) and Gary Johnson just over 22,000 votes (in the much more limited Libertarian primary/caucus system), so Johnson got the support of about 0.01 percent of the electorate to win his nomination.