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I honestly was on the verge of tears during that part of the "debate". I worry that my children will be living in an evil empire that will increasingly look inward for the enemies it needs to justify its existence.

Ever heard of the Roman Empire, and the fall thereof?

Or the Third Reich?
 
Keith Olbermann once again pointing out how seemingly inconsequential acts have huge ramifications. Few people in the history of the world could see where they were heading when they slowly changed their government forever.

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Oh really. Seemingly inconsequential actions only applies to Mr. Trump but not Keith olberman or your repeated incendiary racist chatges.

This is the political left on stage folks. They have no morals or values other then what is hip hop ATM. Olbermien is a pos person willing to say anything to sound cool. He works for msnbcevil.
 
Same. These elections have been entertaining. It's easy to be entertained when you know Trump will lose.

Even if Trump loses, is it entertaining to see how Trump has received a legitimizing platform on the biggest stage on earth? I'm happy you are so confident in the outcome in this election, but I don't enjoy watching anything Trump has brought to this election. Look at any of the top intellectuals Chomsky, Dawkins, Harris, Krauss, Dennett, Coyne, Ayaan, and even ultraconservative Ben Shapiro. They are all saying what a disaster Trump would be. Many of these intellectuals have been very active in repudiating Trump. They've taken this threat seriously. I like the lambasting of Trump by comedians, but I can relate with Alt13 when it comes to sadness.
 
I will never vote Trump, even though he appears to be a Jazz fan!

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Even if Trump loses, is it entertaining to see how Trump has received a legitimizing platform on the biggest stage on earth? I'm happy you are so confident in the outcome in this election, but I don't enjoy watching anything Trump has brought to this election. Look at any of the top intellectuals Chomsky, Dawkins, Harris, Krauss, Dennett, Coyne, Ayaan, and even ultraconservative Ben Shapiro. They are all saying what a disaster Trump would be. Many of these intellectuals have been very active in repudiating Trump. They've taken this threat seriously. I like the lambasting of Trump by comedians, but I can relate with Alt13 when it comes to sadness.

You're way too serious. I also question your classification of 'top intellectuals'.
 
You're way too serious. I also question your classification of 'top intellectuals'.

I'm not writing the definitive work on modern day intellectuals, but if you want to add to the list, then feel free. I'm glad you can sit back and enjoy the "show." Being serious is all relative. You know very little about me outside of this forum in which I post almost exclusively on Trump. If I had to paint a picture of someone who was obviously not an idiot who hasn't been bothered with the election, he/she is more often than not someone who is single, with no kids, in their twenties, and a regular toker of marijuana. In this election, I would also add male, comfortable financially, and with plenty of opportunities in his/her life. It's a lot easier to go with the flow when you're in this situation.

I don't know where you stand in relationship to these features, but we all ain't equal. Lots of people have more skin in the game than other people, and I try to understand them all. So feel free to give pronouncements about me, which reflect your complacency in imposing your ideal of a balanced human being on others. I can try to guess what you're like just as easily as you can label me.
 
I'm not writing the definitive work on modern day intellectuals, but if you want to add to the list, then feel free. I'm glad you can sit back and enjoy the "show." Being serious is all relative. You know very little about me outside of this forum in which I post almost exclusively on Trump. If I had to paint a picture of someone who was obviously not an idiot who hasn't been bothered with the election, he/she is more often than not someone who is single, with no kids, in their twenties, and a regular toker of marijuana. In this election, I would also add male, comfortable financially, and with plenty of opportunities in his/her life. It's a lot easier to go with the flow when your in this situation.

I don't know where you stand in relationship to these features, but we all ain't equal. Lots of people have more skin in the game than other people, and I try to understand them all. So feel free to give pronouncements about me, which reflect your complacency in imposing your ideal of a balanced human being on others. I can try to guess what you're like just as easy as you can label me.

I would start by removing Harris who, as far as I can tell, is mostly just a poor author. I would also remove Shapiro who is nothing more than Hannity 2.0 or Limbaugh 3.0 depending on how you look at it.

The rest I would consider serious people but it occurs to me that what the group you provided all have in common(perhaps Chomsky being the lone exception) is that they are the most ardent critics of Islam. While I tend to agree with most of those criticisms I don't think that that is a good metric for which we should use to determine who is a leading intellectual.
 
I would start by removing Harris who, as far as I can tell, is mostly just a poor author. I would also remove Shapiro who is nothing more than Hannity 2.0 or Limbaugh 3.0 depending on how you look at it.

The rest I would consider serious people but it occurs to me that what the group you provided all have in common(perhaps Chomsky being the lone exception) is that they are the most ardent critics of Islam. While I tend to agree with most of those criticisms I don't think that that is a good metric for which we should use to determine who is a leading intellectual.

You're right on the Islam point, which as has been pointed out by others, makes their criticism of Trump (and his anti-Islam rhetoric) even more notable. I still think Harris is just as sharp as most people on earth when it comes to many of his views. He has his own niche when it comes to writing, and he is trying to make sense of spirituality without religion. I'm not sure where I would put him if we were doing an ESPN-style intellectual rank, but he's extremely sharp on many issues. Shapiro is more of an ultra conservative throw-in, since I was trying to add a variety of intellectuals. He's not a complete ignoramus, but he is definitely an apologist.

My point was that all of these thinkers are in accord when it comes to Trump. I'm not trying to write a book on the who's who of the thinking world. If you would like to add more to the list who prove my point, cool. If you would like to point to intellectuals who support Trump, cool.
 
You're right on the Islam point, which as has been pointed out by others, makes their criticism of Trump (and his anti-Islam rhetoric) even more notable. I still think Harris is just as sharp as most people on earth when it comes to many of his views. He has his own niche when it comes to writing, and he is trying to make sense of spirituality without religion. I'm not sure where I would put him if we were doing an ESPN-style intellectual rank, but he's extremely sharp on many issues. Shapiro is more of an ultra conservative throw-in, since I was trying to add a variety of intellectuals. He's not a complete ignoramus, but he is definitely an apologist.

My point was that all of these thinkers are in accord when it comes to Trump. I'm not trying to write a book on the who's who of the thinking world. If you would like to add more to the list who prove my point, cool. If you would like to point to intellectuals who support Trump, cool.

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Neither Siro or myself said anything about supporting Trump or that there was a bunch of smart people who do.
 
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Neither Siro or myself said anything about supporting Trump or that there was a bunch of smart people who do.

You're aware of my original post, right? My point was that I am taking Trump seriously like many intellectuals. Siro said, in so many words, that this has been entertaining and that he has known that Trump would never win. I said that I understand your sadness (you almost cried during the debates), since I have not found Trump entertaining unless he is lambasted by comedians. What did you think my point was?
 
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