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Nikola Mirotic

infection said:
Playing without Rudy we’ve been pretty exposed. However, playing with Rudy, Rubio and Favors will make us marginally better. I’d say subbing that out for Mirotic moves the needle. I get we’re talking longer term, but I think he’s a perfect building block.
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Yeah a stretch 4 would be nice. I think hes pretty good in his role. Hes not someone who exerts his will on the game but hes a nice player. Hopefully we can get him on a good trade and dont undercut any of our other future options.
 
Carbon13 said:
Yeah a stretch 4 would be nice. I think hes pretty good in his role. Hes not someone who exerts his will on the game but hes a nice player. Hopefully we can get him on a good trade and dont undercut any of our other future options.
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I think his real value comes not from looking good (which I think he will look good) but by not making others look like dog ****.
 
No need to give up a 1st (even protected) in a deal for a player who is a free agent after next year, and Bulls know they can't guarantee Mirotic's deal and give him the no trade which diminishes his value. Lots of leverage on both sides of a Jazz/Bulls deal.

Deal 1: Favors/Burks for Mirotic/Payne/Holiday: Bulls get 2 assets that actually have value, lose 8 million of dead weight next year for extra cap space; Jazz absorb the 8 million of dead weight since Burks is a much better asset than Holiday and Payne has no value.

Deal 2: Favors/Bradley for Mirotic: Favors is flippable and Bradley has value as a controllable guy on a rookie deal (the 1st the Bulls say they want); Jazz give the controllable 1st round guy that (hopefully) the Bulls liked when they scouted.

Favors has to be the centerpiece because the roster redundancy would obliterate Favors value if we don't trade him. Exum should not be moved in this deal at all. The Bulls have to accept they will get less than a 1st and Favors, not get Exum, THEN the rest of the pieces fall into place.

Not sure they would do a deal like this, but that's the game of chicken I would play if I was Lindsey.
 
framer said:
Bah, offer a first round top 20 protected. then top 15, then turns into 2 second rounders. With Mirotic, a healthy Gobert, and a second year Mitchell, that pick two years from now is gonna suck anyway.
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Yep. The protection on the pick is critical. Instead of a first round pick, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Jazz trade JJ (expiring contract), Tony Bradley, cash and a 2nd round pick for Mirotic. Jazz get their stretch 4. Bulls buy out JJ (who gets a shot at a contender) and the get a young player (cost controlled) and an asset who actually helps them tank. Jazz keep their upcoming 1st in the deal.
 
this would be like the jazz trading rubio after his hot streak where he averaged over 17ppg. Thats what the bulls are doing.

looking to sell stock while its high knowing that it will crash down very soon.
 
fishonjazz said:
That is how you feel about the two players in question and you are certainly entitled to your opinion as a big time Burks hater, but maybe the pelicans think Burks>ajinca. It ain’t like ajinca is a stud or something right?
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Cy was off the Burks hater bandwagon for awhile, but may have jumped back on.
 
infection said:
Here’s a Chicago article better detailing his contract situation:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...-nikola-mirotic-trade-20180108-story,amp.html
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Good find. They can take Bradley and expirings... Bradley was a first round pick.

Or they can kick effing rocks. Portland and Minnesota will not want the extra year on his contract because they capped out. What team is giving them what they want.

Then we can all wait until he cools off or starts causing issues with a young team while limiting the floor time Portis and Lauri get... and ruining their tank.

Just like us demanding a first rounder for Favs without salary... we can demand it but no teams will pay it.
 
This is off topic but is Fournier on the block? If you can land Mirotic without Favors then I’d say sending out Favors and Hood for Fournier is a good deal.
 
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