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Why are Americans so paranoid of outsiders? Why are we so scared to look at countries like Germany, Japan, and France for health care solutions? These countries maintain top notch treatments and services and have had to deal with an aging population (which is what we are transitioning to). Why do people automatically assume that single payer means government owns everything and employs everyone involved in health care?

Why do we still maintain this false notion that our health care system is giving us superior results when in reality, we are at the lower end of the spectrum of industrialied nations by nearly every metric available? I'm not sure Americans realize that we are paying 6-7 percent more of our GDP than Canada, France, Japan, etc yet receiving worse results.
 
From the ACA's website:



For someone making $30k that fine will be something like $750 bucks. That's it. Essentially the total sum of 3-4 months of premiums on some of the cheapest ACA plans would be. I personally know of several people arrogant enough to feel that they don't need insurance and would rather pay the fine and pocket the savings than obtain insurance... which works out great for them until they have a terrible accident or illness.

The fines need to be a lot stiffer or they need to automatically be signed up for some insurance and have their pay checks garnished. If we are going to rely on a health insurance based healthcare system then everyone he needs to slap some skin into this game.

Commerce clause...
 
From the ACA's website:



For someone making $30k that fine will be something like $750 bucks. That's it. Essentially the total sum of 3-4 months of premiums on some of the cheapest ACA plans would be. I personally know of several people arrogant enough to feel that they don't need insurance and would rather pay the fine and pocket the savings than obtain insurance... which works out great for them until they have a terrible accident or illness.

The fines need to be a lot stiffer or they need to automatically be signed up for some insurance and have their pay checks garnished. If we are going to rely on a health insurance based healthcare system then everyone he needs to slap some skin into this game.

Again showing you're out of touch. For many making that 30k they can't afford the premiums either. Many are scraping by. My son is in that category and is trying to take care is a family on that amount. Luckily his exemption application was accepted. But my daughter's wasn't. She will pay a fine she can't afford. And auto enrolment us substandard plans doesn't help anyone, other than subsidizing other plans. The plan my son could have had was a purely catastrophic plan that still would have cost more than his car insurance and payment every month and had no coverage for prescriptions, which is his biggest medical cost. My penalty for being unemployed for 4 months is over $400 per month during that time frame when I had no income, but since my annual was higher I didn't qualify for any assistance either. It is a deeply flawed system and needs to be reversed or better replaced. But I don't ever see that happening. Too much political skin in this game. So much for our elected representatives making decisions based on what's best for the constituency.
 
Again showing you're out of touch. For many making that 30k they can't afford the premiums either. Many are scraping by. My son is in that category and is trying to take care is a family on that amount. Luckily his exemption application was accepted. But my daughter's wasn't. She will pay a fine she can't afford. And auto enrolment us substandard plans doesn't help anyone, other than subsidizing other plans. The plan my son could have had was a purely catastrophic plan that still would have cost more than his car insurance and payment every month and had no coverage for prescriptions, which is his biggest medical cost. My penalty for being unemployed for 4 months is over $400 per month during that time frame when I had no income, but since my annual was higher I didn't qualify for any assistance either. It is a deeply flawed system and needs to be reversed or better replaced. But I don't ever see that happening. Too much political skin in this game. So much for our elected representatives making decisions based on what's best for the constituency.

Out of touch? What the hell are you talking about? I recognize that health care costs are out of control hence why I would prefer a Bismarck health care model similar to that of France and Germany. I understand that health insurance, even on the subsidized Obamacare market is unaffordable to your daughter. But some of the primary contributing factors in the recent increases in premiums has been that many states have refused to expand Medicaid (thanks Justice Roberts) and the light fines on people who refuse to obtain insurance. I know it might be confusing, but the more people who pay into this insurance pie the lower the premiums will be. Unfortunately, republicans have taken any serious bite out of the insidkcual mandate which would've put pressure on employees and employers to get their people insured.

If I could reform our system I would immediately:

A. Get rid of for profit insurance
B. Make everyone chip into the insurance pie
C. Use Government intervention to control prices. Especially drug prices, which is one of the top drivers of health care costs.
D. Create a national insurance card that would keep track of your information and eliminate all of the costs associated with billing and medical records at hospitals and doctor's offices. No longer would health care providers need rooms and rooms of filing cabinets and servers to know your medical history or billing information.
E. Open up far more medical schools and set limits on tuition costs. It is a matter of national security to keep our doctor to patient ratio high. That way doctor aren't saddled with debt (which is passed onto the patient) and we keep doctor shortages at a minimal level.

These Will go a long way into making health insurance affordable again.

At least democrats tried something. When the hell was the last time the GOP tried anything to actually make health care more available to others? Hell, they've been bitching about repealing obamacare before the ink had even dried. Here it is 2017 and they have yet to develop a plan.
 
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I couldn't care less which side does it. That is a useless discussion point tbh. The Democrats pushed through a **** system mostly to **** with the Republicans. It would be better if they dropped the whole dem and Repub ******** and actually got something ****ing DONE for once.
 
Out of touch? What the hell are you talking about? I recognize that health care costs are out of control hence why I would prefer a Hitler health care model similar to that of France and Germany. I understand that health insurance, even on the subsidized Obamacare market is unaffordable to your daughter. But some of the primary contributing factors in the recent increases in premiums has been that many states have refused to expand Medicaid (thanks Justice Roberts) and the light fines on people who refuse to obtain insurance. I know it might be confusing, but the more people who pay into this insurance pie the lower the premiums will be. Unfortunately, republicans have taken any serious bite out of the insidkcual mandate which would've put pressure on employees and employers to get their people insured.

If I could reform our system I would immediately:

A. Get rid of for profit insurance
B. Make everyone chip into the insurance pie
C. Use Government intervention to control prices. Especially drug prices, which is one of the top drivers of health care costs.
D. Create a national insurance card that would keep track of your information and eliminate all of the costs associated with billing and medical records at hospitals and doctor's offices. No longer would health care providers need rooms and rooms of filing cabinets and servers to know your medical history or billing information.
E. Open up far more medical schools and set limits on tuition costs. It is a matter of national security to keep our doctor to patient ratio high. That way doctor aren't saddled with debt (which is passed onto the patient) and we keep doctor shortages at a minimal level.

These Will go a long way into making health insurance affordable again.

At least democrats tried something. When the hell was the last time the GOP tried anything to actually make health care more available to others? Hell, they've been bitching about repealing obamacare before the ink had even dried. Here it is 2017 and they have yet to develop a plan.


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biscmarck model is just medicaid and medicare!
 
E. Open up far more medical schools and set limits on tuition costs. It is a matter of national security to keep our doctor to patient ratio high. That way doctor aren't saddled with debt (which is passed onto the patient) and we keep doctor shortages at a minimal level.

There are a number of things in this thread and on this subject I wanted to get in to but will have to wait until a bit later but I wanted to respond to this one quickly as it's not really related to what I wanted to say. You can increase medical schools as much as you want but that's not going to actually produce you more practicing physicians. The tuition costs of medical schools have ballooned secondary to guaranteed government backing of covering the cost of attendance. In any case, nobody is paying for it out of pocket so the cost of it won't have a lot of direct effects on training physicians as I really don't believe we're at that point (or close to that point) that medical schools won't be fetching quality applicants as a result. I'm also curious how you feel a physician's educational debt is passed along to the patient, if you don't mind elaborating on that.
 
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2 senators on the "right" to healthcare.
hope i do not get banned. got banned for critiquing socialism. this is just 2 qoutes form 2 senators.

if however i get banned and you wanna contact me. jason has my email adress, he prolly will supply you with it
 
Again showing you're out of touch. For many making that 30k they can't afford the premiums either. Many are scraping by. My son is in that category and is trying to take care is a family on that amount. Luckily his exemption application was accepted. But my daughter's wasn't. She will pay a fine she can't afford. And auto enrolment us substandard plans doesn't help anyone, other than subsidizing other plans. The plan my son could have had was a purely catastrophic plan that still would have cost more than his car insurance and payment every month and had no coverage for prescriptions, which is his biggest medical cost. My penalty for being unemployed for 4 months is over $400 per month during that time frame when I had no income, but since my annual was higher I didn't qualify for any assistance either. It is a deeply flawed system and needs to be reversed or better replaced. But I don't ever see that happening. Too much political skin in this game. So much for our elected representatives making decisions based on what's best for the constituency.

Your daughter hot?
 
Why are Americans so paranoid of outsiders? Why are we so scared to look at countries like Germany, Japan, and France for health care solutions? These countries maintain top notch treatments and services and have had to deal with an aging population (which is what we are transitioning to). Why do people automatically assume that single payer means government owns everything and employs everyone involved in health care?

Why do we still maintain this false notion that our health care system is giving us superior results when in reality, we are at the lower end of the spectrum of industrialied nations by nearly every metric available? I'm not sure Americans realize that we are paying 6-7 percent more of our GDP than Canada, France, Japan, etc yet receiving worse results.

People don't realize how much of a drag on the economy our bloated healthcare system is. 6-7% of our GDP is roughly $1.2 TRILLION! Imagine how much good that could do to other sectors of the economy.
 
It is not affordable, and Obama doesn't care.

It's like the laws criminalizing pot. As long as the power goes to the government, the people can go to Hell. Well, a concrete box with no sun and bad food and sit all day in orange plastic togas.

Obamacare runs the docs outta town and restricts care with inordinate regulations that actually prevent doctors from doing what needs to be done in many respects. And on the false pretense you are not the one really paying for it, you don't get to make the decisions.
 
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