Off-Season Rumblings

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I just hate the tank talk, it's so damn lame.

The West is strong enough you dont need to do much gutting. Just play your rookies/2nd year guys solid minutes. Move on from Clarkson. Let Lauri/Sexton/Collins/Dunn be your veteran leaders and maybe go sign some over the hill vets who are just happy to collect a paycheck for being upstanding citizens.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Are the 6-7 extra wins that take you from 25 to 32 so amazing you want to reduce your chances of top 4 pick by 50% and also pick 3-5 spots lower than you could have. The draft slot difference alone is worth at least another first in most drafts if you move back. I get that Detroit exists… so does SA and OKC.

Ok, but is trading Sexton away for a subpar package worth that? I'd rather keep Sexton and have the worse odds. Worst case you are still getting a mid-lotto pick in a strong draft. Best case you get to keep an ASG potential guard and pick 1st.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ok, but is trading Sexton away for a subpar package worth that? I'd rather keep Sexton and have the worse odds. Worst case you are still getting a mid-lotto pick in a strong draft. Best case you get to keep an ASG potential guard and pick 1st.

Maybe. If the good thing makes you good enough to not be great then it’s a problem… but that isn’t the issue. It’s the trading for KO and not selling off Conley early enough… it’s trading for John Collins and keeping JC… those mid moves that stop you from playing the young guys and losing enough. If they do nothing other than draft I think we can be 6-8 ish… making an addition like Tobias or paying a bunch for Bridges is the type of thing that adds 2-5 meaningless wins. If it stays as rumors then whatevs… if it is realized (as some can project it will be based on recent history) then it’s a problem.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And let's use our thinking caps for a second.

Mikal Bridges has two years left on his deal. Utah might just be touching base to see what the cost is this year so when they get Cooper Flagg next year in the draft, they turn around and come back to Brooklyn and say "Hey, we got our core set now, we want to deal a lot of these picks we got in the Rudy/Mitchell/Conley trades for Bridges. We know the price was X last year, but now he has one year left on his deal, so it should be Y now. Here's an offer no one is going to beat"

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Maybe. If the good thing makes you good enough to not be great then it’s a problem… but that isn’t the issue. It’s the trading for KO and not selling off Conley early enough… it’s trading for John Collins and keeping JC… those mid moves that stop you from playing the young guys and losing enough. If they do nothing other than draft I think we can be 6-8 ish… making an addition like Tobias or paying a bunch for Bridges is the type of thing that adds 2-5 meaningless wins. If it stays as rumors then whatevs… if it is realized (as some can project it will be based on recent history) then it’s a problem.

Collins and Clarkson contributed to losing a ton last year....

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just hate the tank talk, it's so damn lame.

The West is strong enough you dont need to do much gutting. Just play your rookies/2nd year guys solid minutes. Move on from Clarkson. Let Lauri/Sexton/Collins/Dunn be your veteran leaders and maybe go sign some over the hill vets who are just happy to collect a paycheck for being upstanding citizens.

If that’s what happens then fine… the current rumors seem to indicate that is not the plan. I’m cool with rumors being rumors but I doubt it’s a tanking rouse.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Collins and Clarkson contributed to losing a ton last year....

Not more than Taylor or Brice could have.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If that’s what happens then fine… the current rumors seem to indicate that is not the plan. I’m cool with rumors being rumors but I doubt it’s a tanking rouse.

You just said the rumors werent the issue......

What's the benefit of not being in rumors? You can go to Lauri and say "Hey, we tried to go out and acquire some guys, but these vets arent good enough for the price. You got to trust our process and next year we will be putting in assets to go get players after we get a top pick this yeart"

There is also an entire portion of the fan base that isnt pro-tank and wants to know the Jazz are at least thinking about making moves.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not more than Taylor or Brice could have.

Clarkson had an actual -4.5 BPM last year....

 

[Jazz Fusion]

So its the new jersey dude this time around right?
I would be cool with getting him depending on cost. I would give up a decent player and 2 firsts.

Clarkson and picks?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Just no way to know.
Will be interesting to see if ausar thompson is better or worse than Hendricks in 4 years. I have no idea who will be better but I say its a decent chance that hendricks (the 10th pick) is better than Ausar (the 5th pick) in 4 years. Also, for us to get to that 5th pick we would have had to be much worse so we would have no sexton or lauri or something to get there. I prefer to have sexton, lauri and possibly the better player in the 2023 draft. Im greedy I guess.

1. You can’t bring hind sight into this.

2. We won I believe 5 games after the deadline moves were made. All we needed to do was make those trades before the season, play the rookies and some GLeague’ers

Look, if you are actually tanking you dont want to appear like you are actually tanking. You are going to have your name in rumors about acquiring players, stop being so damn dramatic.

So what did the deadline deals tell you? Lol

 

[oldtimer]

the GMs job is to make the team better. im so tired of the half tank or late tank. tank or dont tank just get out of the middle. good is the enemy of great.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And let's use our thinking caps for a second.

Mikal Bridges has two years left on his deal. Utah might just be touching base to see what the cost is this year so when they get Cooper Flagg next year in the draft, they turn around and come back to Brooklyn and say "Hey, we got our core set now, we want to deal a lot of these picks we got in the Rudy/Mitchell/Conley trades for Bridges. We know the price was X last year, but now he has one year left on his deal, so it should be Y now. Here's an offer no one is going to beat"

Or… they have legit interest and an actual offer they are hoping will be accepted.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Or… they have legit interest and an actual offer they are hoping will be accepted.

Whatever makes you happy... or errr.. I guess whatever lets you complain about nothing.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Clarkson had an actual -4.5 BPM last year....

And the other guys would have been worse.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You just said the rumors werent the issue......

What's the benefit of not being in rumors? You can go to Lauri and say "Hey, we tried to go out and acquire some guys, but these vets arent good enough for the price. You got to trust our process and next year we will be putting in assets to go get players after we get a top pick this yeart"

There is also an entire portion of the fan base that isnt pro-tank and wants to know the Jazz are at least thinking about making moves.

The rumors aren’t an issue if they never materialize… the last couple years some of those rumors have materialized… I understand what you are trying to say but if we see a rumor and go “I hope we don’t do that” is that really complaining? Or is it one of the basic purposes of discussion forums. What about the guys that complain about complaining… feels like they are the most insufferable.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And the other guys would have been worse.

Worse and they wouldn’t have taken up $40M in cap space this year and 40M last year. Shrug.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The rumors aren’t an issue if they never materialize… the last couple years some of those rumors have materialized… I understand what you are trying to say but if we see a rumor and go “I hope we don’t do that” is that really complaining? Or is it one of the basic purposes of discussion forums. What about the guys that complain about complaining… feels like they are the most insufferable.

What rumors besides Collins?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What rumors besides Collins?

Collins is the only one that was executed but we had legit offers in for several guys. They didn’t execute for one reason or another on the players end - Jrue and Zinger. But based on those moves it isn’t always about just being in the rumor. We weren’t kicking the tires on those deals for future intel. So if folks see rumors and are like “man can we just play the young guys and take the losses”
I’m not going to blame them. They aren’t all smoke (some are of course). So kick the tires on Bridges but I wouldn’t pay anything near what the sticker price seems to be.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Collins is the only one that was executed but we had legit offers in for several guys. They didn’t execute for one reason or another on the players end - Jrue and Zinger. But based on those moves it isn’t always about just being in the rumor. We weren’t kicking the tires on those deals for future intel. So if folks see rumors and are like “man can we just play the young guys and take the losses”
I’m not going to blame them. They aren’t all smoke (some are of course). So kick the tires on Bridges but I wouldn’t pay anything near what the sticker price seems to be.

People are getting super annoying though. If the rumor is we’re interested in anyone who’s not a top-10 player they have a breakdown.