Official *FAVORS WATCH* thread

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  1. Jack Strop

    Jack Strop Well-Known Member

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    The worst thing about losing Favs isnt his contribition ar PF. That can be a wash with a better shooter. Its at the backup 5. There's a huge dropoff from Favs playing 15 mins at the 5 to Udoh, Bradley or whoever else they put there.
     
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  2. Rubashov

    Rubashov Well-Known Member

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    Well yeah he'd probably start at the 5 for half the teams in the league.
     
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  3. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    Which is why he probably goes elsewhere this summer. He can be a starter, and I can't believe I'm saying this, maybe even a borderline All Star in the East. If he went to Atlanta and averaged 15-11 and got his team to playoff discussions near the All Star break, he could maybe make it in that terrible Eastern Conference.
     
  4. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    Panda Watch!
     
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  5. Handlogten's Heros

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    I think Atlanta goes full process and trades Shroeder and anything that isn't on a rookie deal that has value for future assets.

    Favs has a few options... but I'm not sure how interested Atlanta will be. I think it is part of the reason they canned Bud... they don't want to win right now.
     
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  6. campaignist

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    Edit: tried to add jack strop’s post about a backup C but couldn’t.

    This really doesn’t get talked about enough. One huge reason this team struggled when it did when Gobert did was a lack of depth. Favors was a great backup, but HE had no backup. I have no idea why Udoh didn’t get more minutes in general. This, and backup for Rubio, must be addressed.
     
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  7. LoPo

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    I guess they could, but they don't have any trade pieces that anybody really wants. Bazemore is an expiring chucker. Look around the league - who wants Schoeder? The PG market is becoming very saturated.

    Favors would put people in the seats due to his Atlanta connection. He's not going to get them to the playoffs on his own. It's a savvy business move to add Favors. Collins and Prince are solid players Atlanta will not look to trade. If I'm Atlanta, I try to build something that makes sense around Collins, Prince, and their top 5 pick. More than likely, they are in the high lottery again next year. Favors just makes sense there without mortgaging the future.
     
  8. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member

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    Nothing puts butts in the seat in Atlanta.

    Schroeder could go to Orlando, Phoenix, NY,... they don’t have to trade him.

    I could see a Bazemore to Porty for turner and a pick... or something similar where it’s bad contract for his less bad contract. I think they use their space to take on bad deals and get draft assets. They have Prince and Collins both are decent prospects. This is year one of a three year tank job if they want to be relevant. They have no top tier prospects. I also think they end up drafting a big and you don’t want too many guys in between your young guys and playing time.
     
  9. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    Ironically enough, look at this recent story: https://hoopshype.com/storyline/dennis-schroeder-trade/

    If Atlanta trades Schroder and drafts somebody like Doncic or Trae Young, I could see Favors fitting there. They aren't that far from Eastern Conference relevance. And if you have two solid young pieces like Prince and Collins AND a high draft pick, why wouldn't you put a good lockerroom, affordable vet like Favors with them? He just helped in grooming Mitchell.
     
  10. NUMBERICA

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    Did he? How?
     
  11. TheStormofWar

    TheStormofWar Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. If we lose Favors, we need a starting 4 AND backup 5. Bradley and Udoh don't inspire confidence and we'd have to hope like hell Crowder gets much more consistent - which I think he will, but that's besides the point. Even if he can't knock a three, Derrick still a luxury most teams would kill for. We'd miss his presence badly.

    We were dynamite the second half of the season and only fell to Houston because we had no reliable backup for Ricky. At this point, I'd rather bring back Favors and Exum if we don't kill ourselves doing it, grab a cheap stretch 4 we can groom or to push Jae, and grab a reliable backup PG in case Exum decides to suck or gets injured again. I'd also rather keep Royce out of any trades if possible. He's got killer value for his contract.
     
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  12. jjscap

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    Joe Ingles openly said he wants Fav back.
     
  13. JimLes

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    A couple of stats from this season. I know some of you don't put much stock in advanced statistics, but these two are difficult to ignore. These are league-leaders for the 17/18 season.

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    Regardless of which metric you use, Favors would appear to be a top-20 defender in the league. He was also top-10 in the league this year in offensive rebounding. He played under 30 minutes a game, too.

    I'm really worried about what our defense might look like if we let him go.
     
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  14. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    This is very intriguing information. Thank you for sharing.

    I'm wondering, can this be broken down to games with Gobert and without AND/OR minutes with Gobert and without?
     
  15. Sarni

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    I don’t think they want to win next season. They want 2-3 more high picks to get some young talent that could maybe develop into something. This year they get four picks, one of them a no. 3. I think they might try to consolidate two of them to move into mid-10s. That’s still not enough to build any kind of future team, the only young player they have that might amount to something currently is John Collins. They’ll be looking to add top tier talent through 2019 and maybe 2020 drafts. You don’t sign an expensive center who wants to play and win now and has been on a playoffs team for two consecutive seasons and then try to lose enough games to get a high pick.

    I think Sacramento are a team that might offer Favors a great deal. They don’t own their pick next year anyway and are stacked with young talent as it is (Hield, Fox, Bogdanovic, Giles, now probably Doncic too) and won’t want to tank anymore. He could bring experience and stability. I think they will prefer to take on some bad deals and get more picks or try to price away Gordon or Parker though.
     
  16. Jack Strop

    Jack Strop Well-Known Member

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    So when/where will the "STAYvors" billboards go up?

    Dallas may also be a candidate for signing Derrick. Ayton, Bagley and Bamba will probably be gone by the time they pick. They have no 5's to speak of on their roster. If Favors is willing to play the 5, Dallas might be a good spot.

    Joe likely stays in Australia, but it would be so like Ingles to knock on Derrick's door at 12:01 a.m.

    I guess the selling point for the Jazz is we're one of the few teams that would let Favors start at PF. I know he's said a few times he isn't a center and doesn't like playing there.
     
  17. Jingled

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    Locke really dug into the defensive statistics with Gobert and Favors on his podcast last week and basically what he found is that our defense the past couple of seasons has been just as good and maybe even slightly better with a stretch 4 such as Crowder, Jerebko, Sefelosha, etc. playing alongside Gobert than it was with Favors and Gobert playing together. Locke doesn't seem to think losing Favors will hurt our defense, and his numbers seemingly back that up.
     
  18. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

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    The only "stretch" 4 that has put up defensive numbers any where close to what Gobert/Favors has is Gobert/Crowder. The rest have been worse. But Favors/Udoh put up just as good of defensive numbers as those two with a better offensive rating.
     
  19. Jingled

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    I haven't looked into it myself, but according to Locke, our defensive rating was just as good with Jerebko, Sefelosha, and I believe even Ingles at the 4 next to Gobert as it was with Favors at the 4 next to Gobert. The only player that really killed our defensive rating when playing the 4 was Joe Johnson.
     
  20. Rgiss

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    Why I hate public defensive stats

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