***Official new head coach search thread*** (merged)

[Bodhi]

It's almost a lose-lose. Boylen is going to start with a goodwill tank of zero with how awful things went for him in his final two seasons at the U. Fairly or not, that is just reality. That's his albatross now and something that won't be easily dispatched of without some heavy winning.

That's not likely to happen in a season or two. So, already, fans are going to be against him as coach. If he doesn't win, that only validates their fears. Again, it might not be fair, but it happens a lot in sports.

Very well put and my thoughts exactly. As in Boylen couldn't just be a "pretty good" coach here, DL would have to have some sort of assurance by the devil himself that Jimmy B is going to be otherworldly. That's the only way he washes away fans feelings of him in this market. Good luck with that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Basically if Boylen wins, no on cares

If Boylen loses, people are just like "I told you so".

Win/Win for the asshats. You either get a winning team or a feeling of being right.

 

[Sean]

Basically if Boylen wins, no on cares

If Boylen loses, people are just like "I told you so".

Win/Win for the asshats. You either get a winning team or a feeling of being right.

Not so sure I buy that, though. There is winning in the NBA - and there is winning in the NBA. Some coaches are afforded a benefit of the doubt that others simply don't get. Look at Frank Vogel at Indiana. He's done nothing but win at Indiana, taking the Pacers to the Conference Finals last year and the #1 seed in the East this year. Yet, if they lose to the Hawks, there's speculation he's gone.

If Boylen comes in and only marginally wins, he's not going to be given that benefit of the doubt by the fans as someone with a better resume and clean slate might. Now, does that pressure from the fans impact his ability to be a long-term coach? Eh, who knows. But I'd wager Ty would be in much better standing, and potentially in a position to keep his job, had the fans not been entirely against him by the end of the 2014 season. In a game where momentum is key, a coach getting off on the wrong foot (as was the case with Ty, who, not by his own doing, inherited a toxic situation and could never really manage it) is potentially doomed to failure.

Boylen isn't going to join the franchise as a fan favorite winning the praise of the Salt Lake media. He'll join the franchise as a coach most in the media derides, most the fans hate and for a franchise in transition, that is not a recipe for success. Does it mean he's automatically set up to fail? No - he might blow us all away and win big. If that's the case, Lindsey will look like an f'n genius. But if he slips up even marginally, fans will be out for blood. It's not fair, obviously, and I do believe, if Boylen is the guy, he deserves his shot, but that isn't going to happen - fans and media will pounce.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Very well put and my thoughts exactly. As in Boylen couldn't just be a "pretty good" coach here, DL would have to have some sort of assurance by the devil himself that Jimmy B is going to be otherworldly. That's the only way he washes away fans feelings of him in this market. Good luck with that.

A coach that is otherworldly good doesn't do what he did to the Utes. That's the fact of the matter.

 

[cowhide]

Funny how everyone wanted Ty gone but will they feel the same if the Jazz hire Boylen?

 

[framer]

The end reaction we should have for people insisting the Boylen thing is to disbelieve everything they have to say forevermore. Jazz can certainly get a better coach than Boylen who probably doesn't get a sniff anywhere else. Also after the Ty debacle, they need a homerun here, and Boylen certainly ain't that. Other than this Jody person and possibly Boylen's mother, nobody really thinks Boylen is coming here, except Spence Checketts who is a proven idiot. The propagation of Boylen to Utah rumors among the national writers just shows how little they actually follow the Jazz.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The end reaction we should have for people insisting the Boylen thing is to disbelieve everything they have to say forevermore. Jazz can certainly get a better coach than Boylen who probably doesn't get a sniff anywhere else. Also after the Ty debacle, they need a homerun here, and Boylen certainly ain't that. Other than this Jody person and possibly Boylen's mother, nobody really thinks Boylen is coming here, except Spence Checketts who is a proven idiot. The propagation of Boylen to Utah rumors among the national writers just shows how little they actually follow the Jazz.

Listen to this guy over people who have connections to the Jazz.

No one is saying Boylen is a 100% hire, just that he is the name that is most often brought up in their circles.

Their circles > your opinion as a person out the organization

 

[The Midnight]

Let's see..


- We could have had Budenholzer who was also Popovich's right hand man for 6 seasons and spent 18 seasons with the Spurs....

- We could have retained Hornacek who is very savvy and has a great mind and temperament for the game... and had been with the Jazz Org. for a long long time..


Both are loyal guys who have seen success first hand. Instead we're getting this Boylens guy who by all accounts is an angry, lazy man and had a history of jumping from one burning ship to the next?


You can do better than this Lindsey.

 

[framer]

Listen to this guy over people who have connections to the Jazz.

No one is saying Boylen is a 100% hire, just that he is the name that is most often brought up in their circles.

Their circles > your opinion as a person out the organization

Do tell us the stories that these fools have broken about the Jazz. I know too many "reporters" to take the majority of them seriously. Again, some of them are trying to be controversial because it generates traffic. Everything that DL has done to this point tells me he is not an idiot. Hiring Boylen would be idiotic. I mean truly, mind-numbingly idiotic. The kind of stuff that leads to getting fired idiotic. Even if I had an insider and he told me this, I certainly wouldn't run with it. I would be pissed that he was trolling me. The fact that the national media is picking this up actually depresses me because it tells me they don't care about the Jazz enough to even try.

 

[infection]

Basically if Boylen wins, no on cares

If Boylen loses, people are just like "I told you so".

Win/Win for the asshats. You either get a winning team or a feeling of being right.

And this chaps your *** because it's a lose/lose for you?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do tell us the stories that these fools have broken about the Jazz. I know too many "reporters" to take the majority of them seriously. Again, some of them are trying to be controversial because it generates traffic. Everything that DL has done to this point tells me he is not an idiot. Hiring Boylen would be idiotic. I mean truly, mind-numbingly idiotic. The kind of stuff that leads to getting fired idiotic. Even if I had an insider and he told me this, I certainly wouldn't run with it. I would be pissed that he was trolling me. The fact that the national media is picking this up actually depresses me because it tells me they don't care about the Jazz enough to even try.

Again, no one is breaking this as a story. They are simply saying that Boylen's name is the most discussed.

Boylen is very well respected in NBA circles.

“He’s been the best guy on almost every staff he’s ever been on,” an NBA general manager says last week prior to Ty Corbin’s departure from Utah. “And the fact that Pop hired him gives him the ultimate stamp of approval.”

He was previously on Indiana, who had a great, surprising year. Could that success be partially attributed to him? I would say that is a fair statement.

Pacers were upset with Boylen leaving for Spurs. He had a lot to do with Indiana’s offensive structure. "He did us dirty,” one player said.

I would be excited to get Boylen personally. I think a lot of Utah people are just scared because he was bad at Utah. College and NBA are different games. I hold his strong track record as assistant over his poor stint as a college head coach.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And this chaps your *** because it's a lose/lose for you?

I'm really not that invested in the HC search tbh. I can't say I know enough about coaching to for sure say what we need in a HC, especially when all the candidates we are talking about are mostly people with 0 NBA head coaching experience.

Personally I would rather go George Karl or Lionel Hollins, but if we are looking at unproven people, I don't see how Boylen isn't as exciting as any other candidate being talked about.