Official Rudy Gobert Trade Ideas Thread

[Elizah Huge]

I don't really want to trade Gobert, and I don't think we will. However, I noticed that there are rumors of a Zion Williamson -Brandon Ingram incompatibility. If the Jazz were ever to do something drastic, Ingram's name might come up.

Gobert could not command someone like Ingram back in a trade.

We would be looking at the Andrew Wiggins/Harrison Barnes type of wings.

 

[416Klawzz]

Honestly Rudy should focus more on his offensive skills than boxing geez, he has no range outside of a dunk. It hurts us and hurts us very much...

 

[LogGrad98]

I love Rudy , he has been a great Jazzman , stood proud for Utah .

I just don’t know where this team goes with him and Don being the big 2 … how many more times do you want to try , with the same outcome ?

We got exposed again in the playoffs , maybe Synder didn’t pull him cause he is our max guy ? But everyone else on the planet could see what the clippers were doing .

Think about when Rudy matches up against the best in Embiid , Jokic , AD ect … does he really slow them down ? Does he stop them ? Does he keep them under 20pts ? Nope , not really , they still get theirs .

Surely the best defensive player in the league should have some impact on them , slow them down .

Yes , he wins us the odd game , with a last play block , which is nice .

But that’s our ceiling with him isn’t it , he isn’t turning into a jump shooter taking you down on the low block , with the small guy on him … posting up the small guy … with what move ? He has the foot work of a deer with skates on … Still can’t catch passes thrown at him or finish like a 7’2 guy should .

I dunno what we get for him , but we’ve seen this movie before , it’s time to try something else

The odd game?

Without Rudy we would have been a lottery team this year. If the injury that happened to Mitchell had happened to Gobert instead we had a decent chance of missing the playoffs entirely let alone holding the #1 seed.

Man people are terrible at evaluating impact on the game. Just go look at the on/off numbers for the season for Gobert and the effect is startling. The fact that the team that beat us employed a scheme entirely center around negating Gobert while not really worrying about Mitchell at all speaks volumes. And the inability of the team to adapt to that change wasn't on Rudy, it was on the coaching staff for simply having no answer and on the FO for being lulled into such a sense of security by Gobert's dominating presence that they complete ignored our obvious deficiency, perimeter D, and instead drafted a project big and made no other moves to address that problem.

The clippers were a nightmare matchup for us, but not because of Gobert. It was because they exposed the fact that we have no one, NO ONE outside of Gobert who even plays passable defense, so if you have the personnel to pull him away from the rim, since no one on our team can even bother anyone on D, it exposes our lack of team D due to Gobert making up for so many shortcomings on defense.

By the way he was also just as impactful on offense this season due to his gravity at the rim. Why do you think every drive ended up in an open 3? Because they were forced to collapse and try to stop the threat of the Gobert dunk which also opens lanes for the driver.

People watch a few games, in which Gobert is literally trying to guard the entire floor because our team can't guard anyone, and say "see, Gobert can't guard the 3 pt line, get his weak *** out of here".

The depth of basketball ignorance on this site is staggering.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The odd game?

Without Rudy we would have been a lottery team this year. If the injury that happened to Mitchell had happened to Gobert instead we had a decent chance of missing the playoffs entirely let alone holding the #1 seed.

Man people are terrible at evaluating impact on the game. Just go look at the on/off numbers for the season for Gobert and the effect is startling. The fact that the team that beat us employed a scheme entirely center around negating Gobert while not really worrying about Mitchell at all speaks volumes. And the inability of the team to adapt to that change wasn't on Rudy, it was on the coaching staff for simply having no answer and on the FO for being lulled into such a sense of security by Gobert's dominating presence that they complete ignored our obvious deficiency, perimeter D, and instead drafted a project big and made no other moves to address that problem.

The clippers were a nightmare matchup for us, but not because of Gobert. It was because they exposed the fact that we have no one, NO ONE outside of Gobert who even plays passable defense, so if you have the personnel to pull him away from the rim, since no one on our team can even bother anyone on D, it exposes our lack of team D due to Gobert making up for so many shortcomings on defense.

By the way he was also just as impactful on offense this season due to his gravity at the rim. Why do you think every drive ended up in an open 3? Because they were forced to collapse and try to stop the threat of the Gobert dunk which also opens lanes for the driver.

People watch a few games, in which Gobert is literally trying to guard the entire floor because our team can't guard anyone, and say "see, Gobert can't guard the 3 pt line, get his weak *** out of here".

The depth of basketball ignorance on this site is staggering.

Dude what in the **** are you talking about.

They worried about negating Gobert and that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

They exploited Gobert’s small ball weakness and somehow that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

When are people going to hold Gobert accountable. It’s always someone else’s fault. The way you guys talk about him you’d think he was a top-5 player on the league. Then have the audacity to talk about the basketball ignorance on this site.

 

[Hekate]

Dude what in the **** are you talking about.

They worried about negating Gobert and that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

They exploited Gobert’s small ball weakness and somehow that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

When are people going to hold Gobert accountable. It’s always someone else’s fault. The way you guys talk about him you’d think he was a top-5 player on the league. Then have the audacity to talk about the basketball ignorance on this site.

Was the small ball weakness on defense or offense? Don't say both.

 

[LogGrad98]

Dude what in the **** are you talking about.

They worried about negating Gobert and that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

They exploited Gobert’s small ball weakness and somehow that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

When are people going to hold Gobert accountable. It’s always someone else’s fault. The way you guys talk about him you’d think he was a top-5 player on the league. Then have the audacity to talk about the basketball ignorance on this site.

Please feel free to actually look at the advanced metrics then get back to us with your vast knowledge of the game.

And if you can't see how a team completely game planning for one player while ignoring another speaks volumes for both players you're probably beyond help.

I completely hold Rudy accountable for his performance in the last game. He should have forced the coach to make adjustments so he wasn't required to guard his own man on the perimeter AND make up for everyone else who failed in their defensive assignments, even if it meant pulling Gobert from the game. And frankly everyone seemed beaten that game except Mitchell, Gobert included.

Of course you completely gloss over the fact that without Gobert we wouldn't have been in that seed in the playoffs to begin with. Recency bias confirmed.

And casual fan confirmed.

 

[Max Porter]

Rudy is great in the right condition. But in the playoffs, he’s been exposed every year when a team goes small ball and pops from outside as he can’t defend that far. Failure of the FO.

Need a 4 who can play outside in those situations and it ain’t Faves.

I hate to say it (I love Rudy) but this might be true. We need a PF or center who can score besides dunking it too. I still can’t believe we drafted exum over embiid

 

[Ineptimusprime]

The odd game?

Without Rudy we would have been a lottery team this year. If the injury that happened to Mitchell had happened to Gobert instead we had a decent chance of missing the playoffs entirely let alone holding the #1 seed.

Man people are terrible at evaluating impact on the game. Just go look at the on/off numbers for the season for Gobert and the effect is startling. The fact that the team that beat us employed a scheme entirely center around negating Gobert while not really worrying about Mitchell at all speaks volumes. And the inability of the team to adapt to that change wasn't on Rudy, it was on the coaching staff for simply having no answer and on the FO for being lulled into such a sense of security by Gobert's dominating presence that they complete ignored our obvious deficiency, perimeter D, and instead drafted a project big and made no other moves to address that problem.

The clippers were a nightmare matchup for us, but not because of Gobert. It was because they exposed the fact that we have no one, NO ONE outside of Gobert who even plays passable defense, so if you have the personnel to pull him away from the rim, since no one on our team can even bother anyone on D, it exposes our lack of team D due to Gobert making up for so many shortcomings on defense.

By the way he was also just as impactful on offense this season due to his gravity at the rim. Why do you think every drive ended up in an open 3? Because they were forced to collapse and try to stop the threat of the Gobert dunk which also opens lanes for the driver.

People watch a few games, in which Gobert is literally trying to guard the entire floor because our team can't guard anyone, and say "see, Gobert can't guard the 3 pt line, get his weak *** out of here".

The depth of basketball ignorance on this site is staggering.

Our team can’t guard anyone, because we’ve purposefully surrounded Rudy with shooters that can’t defend. Of course our on off numbers without Rudy on the floor are terrible. We are built around the premise that Rudy is our eraser that makes up for everyone else. It is to make an obvious point to say that we would suck without Rudy, because we were purposefully built to suck without an elite rim protector like Rudy.

Those suggesting the possibility of a Rudy trade are suggesting that we change the entire team philosophy. Building around Rudy is one way to win, but it is not the only one.

Honestly, I hope we make changes elsewhere to try to get some perimeter defense around Rudy. If we are still flaming out in the first or second round next year, we will at least have tried to get Rudy help and should have our answer definitively on the Don/Rudy experiment.

Hard to see a scenario where next year isn’t a championship or a complete tear-down if it is true that we will mostly be running it back.

 

[LogGrad98]

I hate to say it (I love Rudy) but this might be true. We need a PF or center who can score besides dunking it too. I still can’t believe we drafted exum over embiid

Embiid was drafted 3rd, DedEx 5th.

 

[LogGrad98]

Our team can’t guard anyone, because we’ve purposefully surrounded Rudy with shooters that can’t defend. Of course our on off numbers without Rudy on the floor are terrible. We are built around the premise that Rudy is our eraser that makes up for everyone else.

It is to make an obvious point to say that we would suck without Rudy, because we were purposefully built to suck without an elite rim protector like Rudy

Those suggesting the possibility of a Rudy trade are suggesting that we change the entire team philosophy. Building around Rudy is one way to win, but it is not the only one.

Honestly, I hope we make changes elsewhere to try to get some perimeter defense around Rudy. If we are still flaming out in the first or second round next year, we will at least have tried to get Rudy help and should have our answer definitively on the Don/Rudy experiment.

Hard to see a scenario where next year isn’t a championship or a complete tear-down if it is true that we will mostly be running it back.

Yeah it's been pretty clear for 2 years+ now that perimeter D has been the problem and the FO has added unathletic G-leaguers, undersized oft-injured expensive guards, and project bigs, essentially ignoring the problem or kicking the can down the road.

As I've said before, if we had Brogdon this year instead of Conley I believe we go further. And Brogdon was a reasonable target the same year. But I'm not hung up on just that one guy. Any combination of assets to add a reasonable 3&D wing would have broken the glass ceiling for us. But the FO failed at that, or didn't even attempt it. We'll never know which. But it's clear this needs to be addressed now, hopefully.

I'm still concerned they will draft another odd fit or bring in some no-name Niang clone because it's just the Jazz way.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Yeah it's been pretty clear for 2 years+ now that perimeter D has been the problem and the FO has added unathletic G-leaguers, undersized oft-injured expensive guards, and project bigs, essentially ignoring the problem or kicking the can down the road.

As I've said before, if we had Brogdon this year instead of Conley I believe we go further. And Brogdon was a reasonable target the same year. But I'm not hung up on just that one guy. Any combination of assets to add a reasonable 3&D wing would have broken the glass ceiling for us. But the FO failed at that, or didn't even attempt it. We'll never know which. But it's clear this needs to be addressed now, hopefully.

I'm still concerned they will draft another odd fit or bring in some no-name Niang clone because it's just the Jazz way.

Absolutely. I have zero confidence in DL to make the right decisions about anything. I think we can win a championship with Don and Rudy, but not without an overhaul of the supporting cast. We have far too much shooting and no defense.

Fortunately, most other teams need shooting, and we have it in spades to offer right now in trades. I hope the tires are already being kicked on what we can get for Bogey, Ingles, Clarkson, and Fav.

If we can unload Fav into someone’s cap space before the draft and free agency, that would be a HUGE win. That’s gotta be priority number one. If we have to send Clarkson or someone too in a multi-player trade, I think you do it if the other piece or asset coming back helps us out competitively and with the tax.

 

[fishonjazz]

Dude what in the **** are you talking about.

They worried about negating Gobert and that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

They exploited Gobert’s small ball weakness and somehow that speaks volumes about Mitchell?

When are people going to hold Gobert accountable. It’s always someone else’s fault. The way you guys talk about him you’d think he was a top-5 player on the league. Then have the audacity to talk about the basketball ignorance on this site.

Lol I just read logs entire post. I didn't see one mention of Mitchell in it

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