LoPo
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Yep.
He should have stayed away longer considering all the insults he has hurled over the last year.
Official Rudy Gobert Trade Ideas Thread
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He should have stayed away longer considering all the insults he has hurled over the last year.
If your takeaway from Game 6 is that "Gobert can't guard the perimeter", then you didn't understand what was happening.
The reason Snyder's gameplan was to keep Gobert in the paint isn't because "Gobert can't guard the perimeter". It's because none of the other four guys could prevent penetration. If Gobert isn't camped in the paint, it's a layup.
Is Gobert's value as a rim protector basically nullified against 5-out offenses? Yes. Is it fair to question whether this team can win a title paying as much as they are to Gobert, considering the league is going to keep going more and more in on 5-out lineups? Absolutely. Does Gobert deserve a ****load of blame for having several inexcusable mental lapses once we got up 25? Hell. Yes. Does he deserve criticism for being unable to punish small ball on the other side of the court? How about for not dominating the boards? **** yes.
But in this series, Gobert's defense wasn't the liability. Everybody else's was.
My biggest takeaway was small ball neutralizes him on both sides of the court.
I get there’s no way to verify the information, I’m simply taking them at their word. Mines a gut feeling they say they have sources.
That1UtahFan
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And here boys and girls is the exact reasoning why the internet is awful. "I have a thought about something. A random nameless/faceless person claims to have sources (lol) that backs up my thoughts. Therefore because my thoughts are being said by someone else it makes them true."
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I have more and better sources than they do.
You are beyond help my dude
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I agree with a lot of this... my biggest disappointment with Rudy was not when a guy hit 15 wide open corner threes... It was when Reggie Jackson went right into his chest and scored... followed it up with a floater right over him. Its that stuff and the 50/50 balls the clips were able to tip away.
I think our choices are these - If we want to take a slight chance at winning a title... then we have to get something for Rudy in a trade. If we want to be a guaranteed playoff team that hits the second round sometimes and wins a lot of regular season... then you roll it forward.
I don't know that what we get for Rudy gets us anywhere near where we need to be... so do whatever you please DL.
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On the other hand there is a lot of luck involved with winning a championship.
The jazz with this exact same roster might have the championship this year if Conley doesn't get hurt. Or if the jazz got the two seed. Or if Mitchell and gobert weren't banged up in game 6. Or if quin makes any adjustments in game six. Or the clippers don't shoot like 75% on open threes (what's the league average on open threes? I'm betting they exceeded it. Hell, what's the clippers team average on open threes? I bet they exceeded that too)
This roster was championship caliber imo. **** happens sometimes doe.
Imagine that this was year 1 of the Lakers with AD and lebron. Everyone would be saying that they need to make a bunch of changes to their roster too. Yet they just won the championship with the same roster the previous year.
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gomretat
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My take:
1) The Jazz wont trade Rudy and it is highly unlikely the Jazz could get better by doing so - HH is spot on - If you bail on Rudy, you are bailing on a philosophy that drives our offense and defense and will likely require a complete overhaul of both our roster and our schemes. Some fans would love to see that happen but I don't see the Jazz doing it.
2) There were two teams in the league this year that had the talent and roster to beat our current roster with small ball. We happened to get one of those two teams in round 2. Other teams may have been able to beat us playing to our strengths but not small ball.
3) There will always be super teams who have greater talent and greater match up flexibility. The question is around how you decide to attack given some degree of deficiency.
I am old enough to remember multiple times when fans wanted to blow up the team during the Stockton Malone era and the Jazz stayed the course. I am curious to see what we do now given that the NBA is a very different place than it was during the 90's.
1) The Jazz wont trade Rudy and it is highly unlikely the Jazz could get better by doing so - HH is spot on - If you bail on Rudy, you are bailing on a philosophy that drives our offense and defense and will likely require a complete overhaul of both our roster and our schemes. Some fans would love to see that happen but I don't see the Jazz doing it.
2) There were two teams in the league this year that had the talent and roster to beat our current roster with small ball. We happened to get one of those two teams in round 2. Other teams may have been able to beat us playing to our strengths but not small ball.
3) There will always be super teams who have greater talent and greater match up flexibility. The question is around how you decide to attack given some degree of deficiency.
I am old enough to remember multiple times when fans wanted to blow up the team during the Stockton Malone era and the Jazz stayed the course. I am curious to see what we do now given that the NBA is a very different place than it was during the 90's.
David Hume
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I don't really want to trade Gobert, and I don't think we will. However, I noticed that there are rumors of a Zion Williamson -Brandon Ingram incompatibility. If the Jazz were ever to do something drastic, Ingram's name might come up.