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Been reading all the good factual information, if I may let me give you my thoughts.

First let me say I love Millsap and would like to keep him as a 6th man. Second let me say that Jefferson needs to improve his jump shot, blocking out for rebounds, passing and playing defence against the pick and roll for the Jazz to have any chance of winning a championship with him as a starter.

Now let’s discuss some things. How about Jefferson's number of blocks against Lakers big men vs. Millsap's per game. You love stats see if you can find that one. You would have to look awfully hard to find where Millsap has blocked many of the Lakers’ bigs very often. I think Big Al's and Favors height and defence had a lot to do with us breaking the Lakers 17 games winning streak against the Jazz.
You don't like to hear height used as a reason to pick Jefferson over Millsap as a starter. Well get over it, because without height the Lakers have dominated us. Again it is not all about stats. The Lakers’ bigs scored almost at will against Boozer at center and Millsap at power forward. We could not stop them or compete with them in a seven game series without height. When we got close in the playoffs they would go to work and open the lead up again. The eye ball test is that with Jefferson and Favors playing against the Lakers we are some-what competitive, and should be more so with Favors getting experience and big Al making some improvements to his game. If Big Al does not improve his pick and roll defence, jump shot, passing and boxing out for rebounds, then I have no problem trading him away for a better big.
The bottom line is that unless Millsap plays power forward with a center the calibre of Dwight Howard he has little chance to ever win a championship. It is the Boozer syndrome again, against taller players Millsap cannot cut it come the playoffs, when the game becomes more of a half court game. No one will argue that Boozer is a better offensive player than Millsap, yet Boozer just had a 2 point game in the playoffs.
Yes, I know it is a team game and I appreciate your stats in that regard, but stats change in the playoffs. Like you said Jefferson wins over-all on individual stats against Millsap’s stats for last season, and remember that Jefferson was playing against taller players. I think Millsap’s numbers go down in many categories even more if he plays against the taller players Jefferson plays against during the regular season, and it would get worse during the playoffs.
Again Jefferson must improve in many areas for the Jazz to win a championship with him, but without a Dwight Howard type big man next to Millsap the Jazz have little chance to win a championship with him as a starting power forward. At least that is the way I see it and I think most posters will agree with that.

Obviously, Boozer + Millsap is undersized. With the way Memo and Boozer played against long athletic bigs, that also didn't work. But Favors is plenty big and athletic to handle the 5, and should only fill out more. I see no reason why Millsap can't handle playing the 4 if Favors does pan out as he could. He's had excellent numbers in the playoffs, including against the Lakers, and putting him next to a big athletic 5 (like, say, Favors in a year or two), could potentially work well.

With that said, I'm not opposed to trying Millsap at the 3, off the bench, or moving him if it helps the Jazz win. I just think having him on the court does more good for the Jazz than having Jefferson on the court. Further, I think a Favors-Millsap frontcourt is better all-around than a Jefferson-Favors or Jefferson-Millsap frontcourt (once Favors gets a little more experience).
 
Obviously, Boozer + Millsap is undersized. With the way Memo and Boozer played against long athletic bigs, that also didn't work. But Favors is plenty big and athletic to handle the 5, and should only fill out more. I see no reason why Millsap can't handle playing the 4 if Favors does pan out as he could. He's had excellent numbers in the playoffs, including against the Lakers, and putting him next to a big athletic 5 (like, say, Favors in a year or two), could potentially work well.

With that said, I'm not opposed to trying Millsap at the 3, off the bench, or moving him if it helps the Jazz win. I just think having him on the court does more good for the Jazz than having Jefferson on the court. Further, I think a Favors-Millsap frontcourt is better all-around than a Jefferson-Favors or Jefferson-Millsap frontcourt (once Favors gets a little more experience).

The problem with using Sap at the 3 is on the defensive end. Defending @ 4 you are expected to use your hands, and have your hands on the offensive player on the block. Playing the 3 you are not to have your hands on the offensive player, and you need to rely on speed, lateral quickness, fighting through screens, and body positioning to guard your man. This is the problem of the Tweeners is that they don't have the size to use their bulk and height together effectively defending 4's, and they are not quick enough to guard most 3's without using their hands. Sap will pick up more fouls playing the 3, but I am not against it. I am against swapping him in the 4, then back to the 3 in the same game. If they use him at the 3, they should keep him there so he can perfect the motions, body control, and thought process. I think he has a silky smooth shot, and he could work out for us at the 3 if he can practice defending there in the off season.
 
The problem with using Sap at the 3 is on the defensive end. Defending @ 4 you are expected to use your hands, and have your hands on the offensive player on the block. Playing the 3 you are not to have your hands on the offensive player, and you need to rely on speed, lateral quickness, fighting through screens, and body positioning to guard your man. This is the problem of the Tweeners is that they don't have the size to use their bulk and height together effectively defending 4's, and they are not quick enough to guard most 3's without using their hands. Sap will pick up more fouls playing the 3, but I am not against it. I am against swapping him in the 4, then back to the 3 in the same game. If they use him at the 3, they should keep him there so he can perfect the motions, body control, and thought process. I think he has a silky smooth shot, and he could work out for us at the 3 if he can practice defending there in the off season.

Clearly Sap can lose some bulk to gain lateral quickness. I'm not saying he can guard every SF in this league, but he is so much better offensively than anything else we have (assuming G-time is the SG) that it doesn't even make sense not to try it.
 
Clearly Sap can lose some bulk to gain lateral quickness. I'm not saying he can guard every SF in this league, but he is so much better offensively than anything else we have (assuming G-time is the SG) that it doesn't even make sense not to try it.

We are rebuilding. If we have a square peg but only a round hole to put him in, then he needs to be traded, not forced in just because he fits better than any of the other pegs we have.
 
We are rebuilding. If we have a square peg but only a round hole to put him in, then he needs to be traded, not forced in just because he fits better than any of the other pegs we have.
Does this not apply to Al Jefferson? That's my biggest concern.
 
We are rebuilding. If we have a square peg but only a round hole to put him in, then he needs to be traded, not forced in just because he fits better than any of the other pegs we have.

If "him" and "he" refer to Jefferson than I agree. If it refers to Millsap, WTF?
 
If "him" and "he" refer to Jefferson than I agree. If it refers to Millsap, WTF?

It refers to Sap specifically in that response, but to any player on the team really. We cannot let sentiment keep us from making a move to improve. Sap is not a 3. No matter how much we wish he were. He is a PF in a SF's body, without the speed or ability to really play the 3. So we shouldn't force him into that spot "just cuz".

I like Sap and would love to see him with us long term, but he is not much beyond a very solid role player who can give you a break-out game from time to time. I would not hitch the future of the franchise to that pony.

But the same applies to everyone right now. If they don't fit, find a way to move them for a piece that does.
 
1 season from now, I agree Millsap doesn't look like a good fit - but presently I don't think the Jazz are in a position to say "Millsap doesn't fit here, we have to trade him for a wing." Unless a very attractive trade comes along, for next season I would keep Al, keep Paul, hope Favors keeps developing and proceed from there. Just because a player doesn't figure into your long-term plans doesn't mean you have to decide to keep/trade him in year 1 of the rebuilding process.
 
I would really like to see Utah trade Millsap, to add alittle more size to the 4-5 spot. Just wish we could maybe package Millsap,Bell for Foye,Kamen. Dang that would be such a great pickup. Foye was hugh for the Clippers, when Gordon went down. And a rotation of Jefferson, Kamen, Favors would be amazing!
 
I would really like to see Utah trade Millsap, to add alittle more size to the 4-5 spot. Just wish we could maybe package Millsap,Bell for Foye,Kamen. Dang that would be such a great pickup. Foye was hugh for the Clippers, when Gordon went down. And a rotation of Jefferson, Kamen, Favors would be amazing!
Wait, what?
 
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