So PER is worthless but the highest PERs in the league belong to James, Howard, Wade, Love, Bryant, Paul, Durant, Westbrook, Rose, Nowitzki, Gasol, Stoudemire, Randolph, Duncan, and Griffin. Maybe it’s not perfect but it seems to be a pretty good indicator of talent. And just as reliable as +/-. I'm not saying Jefferson doesn’t have holes in his game, I just think saying he isn't a credible big is retarded. You think Kaman is credible but Kaman’s TS% was 3 points lower than Jefferson. You know, I was thinking we should probably give Jefferson more than one year in the system before we run him out of town but you've convinced me. I don't want any player with saggy arms playing for the Jazz.
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So PER is worthless but the highest PERs in the league belong to James, Howard, Wade, Love, Bryant, Paul, Durant, Westbrook, Rose, Nowitzki, Gasol, Stoudemire, Randolph, Duncan, and Griffin. Maybe it’s not perfect but it seems to be a pretty good indicator of talent. And just as reliable as +/-. I'm not saying Jefferson doesn’t have holes in his game, I just think saying he isn't a credible big is retarded. You think Kaman is credible but Kaman’s TS% was 3 points lower than Jefferson. You know, I was thinking we should probably give Jefferson more than one year in the system before we run him out of town but you've convinced me. I don't want any player with saggy arms playing for the Jazz.
Favors Flave
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Really, for all the freakin morons that spell people's last name with S's at the end: I've seen Morrows a ton and others like Jeffersons. Don't be a muff about missing an L for God sake
The Jazz may have a lot of $ to spend if they don't sign any of the Jazz free agents and get rid of Bell/Memo's contract. KOC has said he wants and needs a defensive C and its a possibility. But if you read I did say "I can dream right"
akirac73
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vslice02
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Zach Randolph is also a perfect example why you don't just throw away legitimate low-post scorers who can get you 20 & 10. There's alot I think Al needs to improve for the Jazz to be a winning basketball team, but if Zach-freakin-Randolph can be the best player on a 2nd-round playoff team, there's still time for Al to learn how to pass, how to be a crunch-time scorer and how to play help defense.
I still consider Al as one of the major pieces the Jazz need to build around.
NotDeadYet
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Kaman, being a vet, would be a better fit here. Smart, aggresive player, good rebounder. I like Jordan as a prospect, but we already are loaded with young guys, and will soon be adding 2 more via the draft...
billyshelby
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PER is worthless, but TS% and adjusted +/- tell you everything you need to know about a player's total worth. No offense GVC, but you're a little smarter than this. All stats are tools to understand a player's performance. But if you're not watching the players night in and night out, you're missing at least half the picture. All stats have to be taken in context with what can be seen.
Park Bites
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I guess my mom won't be playing for the jazz then.
billyshelby
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Randolph's adjusted +/- was always good even if his TS% wasn't. It doesn't matter that he played on far better teams than Al. GVC will point this out to you.
GVC
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Most of my schtick is aimed to be a reaction to the "dump Millsap in favor of Big Al" crowd. The number of atrocious deals ridding the Jazz of Millsap posted on Jazzfanz is shocking, especially considering how excited everyone is to hold on to Big Al, despite his extreme inefficiency and lack of any discernible BBIQ. Could Big Al turn it around like Zach Randolph after 7 lackluster years in the NBA? Sure, but keep in mind that Zach Randolph's career is a HUGE exception to the rule.
Millsap has proven to be a much more efficient, smarter and tougher player than Big Al. He also happens to be paid no more than his market value, whereas (to date) Big Al is vastly overpaid.
As I said in the CJ Miles thread, I'm willing to see how Big Al and Paul do working together this offseason on changing their games, but as of now I'm much more inclined to dump Big Al than I am Paul Millsap.
Millsap has proven to be a much more efficient, smarter and tougher player than Big Al. He also happens to be paid no more than his market value, whereas (to date) Big Al is vastly overpaid.
As I said in the CJ Miles thread, I'm willing to see how Big Al and Paul do working together this offseason on changing their games, but as of now I'm much more inclined to dump Big Al than I am Paul Millsap.
billyshelby
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Fair enough. But no one is arguing that Al is elite or doesn't have plenty of areas he can improve. Yet your opinion of Al seems to be that he is, at best, a mediocre power forward. Like you think he's an overpaid Bass. The guy is incredibly skilled. His post game alone is actually elite. The rest of his game isn't. But that's something you work with, because most players can't get to his level in the post no matter how hard they try.
NAOS
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okay, now somebody should perform some fancy dialectical synthesis to these perspectives.
GVC
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Only it's not. If it were, he'd be able to get to the line and/or shoot a better percentage. Why is this so hard to understand?