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And keep in mind that these stats take turnovers, but not other offense created (hitting cutters/shooters when double teamed), into account, making Al's contributions when getting the ball in the post somewhat inflated (IMO) since he rarely gets easier shots for his teammates from the post.

A couple other stats of interest:

League-wide average for PPP on postups is (roughly) 0.87.

14 NBA teams shoot at or above .89 PPP on postups.

How is Big Al elite in the post?
 
GVC said:
Only it's not. If it were, he'd be able to get to the line and/or shoot a better percentage. Why is this so hard to understand?
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I 'd like to see some stats comparing his first half of the season to the second half. To me, it seemed like there was a huge difference. In no way would I consider any part of his game to be elite in the first half. In the second half of the season, I'd have a hard time believing that Al's post game wasn't right up there with the best in the league.
 
freakazoid said:
I 'd like to see some stats comparing his first half of the season to the second half. To me, it seemed like there was a huge difference. In no way would I consider any part of his game to be elite in the first half. In the second half of the season, I'd have a hard time believing that Al's post game wasn't right up there with the best in the league.
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His TS% went up, but was still poor vs. other NBA bigs. As far as his post ups (and other types of shots), I don't know. Given his still sub-par TS% during his best stretch of the season (he still was tissue paper soft), and his piss-poor passing, I doubt he'd be among the "elite" in postups.

And, while I understand the argument that his improvements were due to finally getting into the flow of the offense and feeling better about his knee, I think it's more than a little disingenuous to dismiss his early season struggles. Scoring while opposing teams are either safely in the lead or have no hope for the playoffs is a lot easier than scoring in competitive games against teams that still think they have a shot at the playoffs.
 
GVC said:
His TS% went up, but was still poor vs. other NBA bigs. As far as his post ups (and other types of shots), I don't know. Given his still sub-par TS% during his best stretch of the season (he still was tissue paper soft), and his piss-poor passing, I doubt he'd be among the "elite" in postups.

And, while I understand the argument that his improvements were due to finally getting into the flow of the offense and feeling better about his knee, I think it's more than a little disingenuous to dismiss his early season struggles. Scoring while opposing teams are either safely in the lead or have no hope for the playoffs is a lot easier than scoring in competitive games against teams that still think they have a shot at the playoffs.
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It's not disingenuous at all. It's called looking beyond the stats. Al came into his own in the second half. So there's basically 3 ways to look at him. 1) He got hot and he's more like the guy he was in the 1st half, 2) He's streaky and so his final numbers in any year will reflect hot and cold months, or 3) He's closer to the player in the 2nd half who dominated in the post.

I'm going with option 3. I know you won't. We'll just see how it plays out.
 
billyshelby said:
3) He's closer to the player in the 2nd half who dominated in the post.
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Only, AGAIN, he didn't dominate. His true shooting in his best stretch was still a far cry from "domination", as I've pointed out before. It seems getting anything through your thick skull is near impossible. I'm not surprised you've yet to respond with anything substantive to my last few posts in this thread.

meh.
 
Millsap's a really good shooter. Which is why I wish to god he would accept that bench role. Stupid ego.
 
Lance-A-Million said:
Millsap's a really good shooter. Which is why I wish to god he would accept that bench role. Stupid ego.
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He's also arguably Utah's best player. Why should he have to come off the bench? Start Favors and Millsap, bring Big Al off the bench.

That is, if Big Al's ego would allow for that...
 
GVC said:
He's also arguably Utah's best player. Why should he have to come off the bench? Start Favors and Millsap, bring Big Al off the bench.

That is, if Big Al's ego would allow for that...
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No, because Millsap is too small to be a starting 4. Big Al still has size going for him. It's not about entitlement for Al
 
Lance-A-Million said:
No, because Millsap is too small to be a starting 4. Big Al still has size going for him. It's not about entitlement for Al
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So because he's taller he's "entitled" to play, despite his inefficiency? I don't get it.

When Big Al has the ball, the average outcome is far worse than when Millsap has the ball. This is undeniable.

When Big Al is on the court, the Jazz team defense is far worse than when Millsap is on the court. Also undeniable.

Please, someone tell me how the argument for Big Al is based on anything other than him being entitled to start because of his height.
 
GVC said:
So because he's taller he's "entitled" to play, despite his inefficiency? I don't get it.

When Big Al has the ball, the average outcome is far worse than when Millsap has the ball. This is undeniable.

When Big Al is on the court, the Jazz team defense is far worse than when Millsap is on the court. Also undeniable.

Please, someone tell me how the argument for Big Al is based on anything other than him being entitled to start because of his height.
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Ugh, look. I believe Favors and Jefferson is a far better defensive front line. Millsap is short. That is a fact. Pretty durn short for a PF. Why does there need to be another reason besides height? It's a perfectly valid argument. Size is important. And I'm fully aware Millsap is an extremely efficient offensive player. Honestly, if he could make the move to the three I'm all for it.
 
Lance-A-Million said:
Why does there need to be another reason besides height? It's a perfectly valid argument. Size is important.
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Why don't we just dump those guys for nothing and bring Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol out of retirement? Why does there need to be another reason besides height? It's a perfectly valid argument. Size is important.

You realize how retarded what you just wrote is, right?
 
GVC said:
Why don't we just dump those guys for nothing and bring Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol out of retirement? Why does there need to be another reason besides height? It's a perfectly valid argument. Size is important.

You realize how retarded what you just wrote is, right?
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Another renob decided he wanted to go all aggro and alter what I've said in order to defend some point he is for some reason grandstanding upon.

I thought it was implied that we were talking about Jefferson, Millsap and Favors here. What does Bradley or Bol have to do with anything?

Who guards PFs the worst out of this list: Favors, Jefferson, Millsap
Who guards centers worst out of this list: Favors, Jefferson, Millsap

The answer for both is Millsap. And yes, a large reason for this is the size advantage the other two have on him.
 
Lance-A-Million said:
Another renob decided he wanted to go all aggro and alter what I've said
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I altered nothing.

Look, the team defense is best with Millsap on the floor than with either Big Al or Favors. These stats are readily available. Yes, Big Al defends postups better than Millsap, but his team and especially his transition D is poor.

If the NBA were a one-on-one tournament, Big Al would do better defending than Millsap would, absolutely. Basketball is a team game, though, and all five guys on the court have to work together. Millsap has shown an ability and willingness to do so, Big Al hasn't. The results speak for themselves.
 
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