OFFICIAL: Trade Deadline Thread
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green
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Yes and no.
Lets say the Jazz believe Al is worth 15 and Paul 10. The Jazz offer Al 5 yrs and 65 and Paul 5 and 50 to see who bites.
Another team offers Al 17 and 4, a max deal for a total of 68.
Paul gets a 13 and 4 for 52 million.
Both are gone.
If the Jazz want to keep either, they will have to drastically overpay and they instantly lose all their flexibility and haven't gotten better or fixed any flaws.
This upcoming FA class is terrible. There is nothing to spend their "flexibility" on, unless its a bad contract (and Al maxed or Millsap at 12+ is a bad contract).
On the other hand, taking on a bad contract to get a "real" asset (one that actually plays) is the obvious thing to do. For example, taking Butler for Bledsoe, is an amazing move.
You get Bledsoe, a great young talent.
You get Butler, a great asset. Why? You keep yourself from overpaying for a mediocre FA this year and get cap room next year.
And you don't have to re-up Paul to a bad contract.
The problem is, the Millers just want to make the playoffs so they can profit more.
What this means is this:
Kanter isn't ready to take over a starting role yet. So the Jazz will have to sign either Paul or Al in the offseason, because fans like stoked will be angry if they don't. Both are bad contracts. Al is statistically the better player. So, we will have 5 more years of Al running this awful offense and terrible defense.
If you think you hated AK, wait until year 3 of 5 of Al making 17 million.
This is why their flexibility talk is all BS. By signing Al or Millsap this summer, they lose all "flexibility", put a cap on their success (I don't think Al or Paul can take a team past round 1), put us in a dire position if the 4-core pan out (whereas if you had Butler instead of Al or Paul you don't have that problem).
I'm very disappointed in the Jazz. I thought KOC was better than this.
All that being said, I'll continue to watch bits and pieces of games, like the last 1.5 years. The final test is this summer. If Paul or Al is back, I'm out. That will signal loud and clear that we are the new "Clippers". Not worried about excellence...only worried about slightly better than mediocre.
That is not how he meant it and you know it. Knock it off.
If the market for Paul is $13m per year - then you simply let him go and keep the cap space. If he can get that kind of money in the open market, under the new CBA, then props to him. Kiss him good luck and goodbye.
See, you're under estimating the power of the new CBA. Teams are no longer comfortable throwing that kind of money around anymore, unless you're a legit All Star. I'm sure KOC and Lindsey are all over this.
If say we let Paul & Big Al walk - what of it? We sign a 3rd big and we simply start Favors and Kanter next year. Don't forget the strength of KOC to find gems like Foye, Tinsley & Mo to fill in the gaps. Players we can get with good value for money. Look at what the Spurs are able to find in the rough - Tiago Splitter? Boris Diaw? DeJuan Blair? Who are these guys? This is also what Lindsey was part of. This is what they make a living doing. Let them do it.
Wasn't that about the range that Bledsoe got drafted? It could happen. Tony Parker was picked in the 20's
green
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I like your line of thinking.
I don't think they let Paul AND Al walk. That's where we differ. Also, this upcoming FA class is so weak, whoever you sign will be overpaid. I DO think Paul get 13+ and Al gets close to or the whole max. That's how bad this FA class is.
I would LOVE the Jazz to let both walk. They won't.
Also, unless they sign 9 players to 1-2 year deals, they will be taking on "bad" contracts like Butler's. I think this whole "bad" contracts thing is not true at all. No matter what, the Jazz will have "bad" contracts this fall.
No I don't think they'll let them walk if possible. But I don't think he'll let them shaft us neither. Case in point - KOC let Mathews walk - that was a surprise wasn't it? All indications are that he's good for approx. $5m per, but KOC didn't think so.
Also if you look at the history of what KOC has done in the past, he signed Boozer & Okur in FAs, and I don't think anyone would argue that they aren't value for money. Matching of Millsap was good value for money. Same thing with the signings of Foye, Howard, Tinsley, Earl, all have been good value for money.
All indicators point towards them being prudent and not giving away free money. You've got to respect that and give them the benefit of the doubt, until they go out and sign a "bad contract" as you've stated. If that happens, then you can have a go, LOL..
GM in no way develop talent. They just draft them, sign them, trade them. Coaches and teammates develop.
Fishsticks
Banned
No doubt. I have no idea if hotnicks shtick is to appear in love with management, but is so far off everytime that he appears to be trolling,
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Seems to be caught in tweener land. I'd rather have Carroll back as a true SF and then go out and get a young, physical guy at 6'10" or so who can come in and be the 4th big (assuming Paul or Al is re-signed.). If Paul AND Al are gone, the immediate need is a 3rd very good big to add to the rotation. Kanter and Favors can't play 48 mins each.