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OFFICIAL: Trade Deadline Thread

mhindy said:
For all my bitching today, I actually think we're in okay position as long as we can avoid some landmines in free agency (Al on a big deal, yuck). A guy like Carroll could be absolutely huge going forward because he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. We're one great (possibly good) PG and some development from Favors away from being a very solid team.
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With the number of FAs the Jazz will have, completely avoiding those landmines could be tough.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
No I don't think they'll let them walk if possible. But I don't think he'll let them shaft us neither. Case in point - KOC let Mathews walk - that was a surprise wasn't it?
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No. It wasn't a surprise. Not at all.

I hope it's just the memory part of your brain that is riddled with holes but I already know I'm wrong. Let me know if you need a refresher on what happened that summer.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
GM in no way develop talent. They just draft them, sign them, trade them. Coaches and teammates develop.
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Bro.. I don't mean that KOC is physically there everyday making sure that players are improving. That's the coaches job. But you can't deny that his role is to build an environment for that development to happen.

Like the hiring of Brand Jones as the assistance coach/player development. Do you think that KOC had no say in that at all? Did Corbin just hire him out of his own volition one day and the next day while having coffee with KOC just casually mentioned "OH Kevin, by the way, last night I decided to hire Brad to help with Kanter's footwork - and he'll get $100K a year plus benefits".

C'mon Cy.

When Mike Dunlap was hired for the Bobcats - he was hired because he is skilled in teaching & developing young players. Whose decision was it to go in that direction in the first place?

Of course Corbin is responsible for the day to day stuff, but to say that KOC had nothing to do with it what-so-ever is just untrue. Corbin reports players' developmental progress to whom exactly?
 
...So the Spurs beat the Clips in LA by 26 tonight. Eric Bledsoe played 23 minutes and finished 2-8 for 5 pts with 4 rebs and 3 assists. Butler had 11 pts.
 
green said:
I don't buy that the Miller's will let the Jazz fall out of the playoff race (see the last two years).

Either Al will be back at a max level contract, or Paul will be back grossly overpaid.
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Unfortunately I think that will always be the case with this team: Balancing between the commercial reality of the small market VS trying to win a Championship against all odds. The risk is great - you only have to look at Seattle and Sacramento to see what happens when you neglect the commercial side of things.

Come with me if you will, and let's look at the bigger picture here. I think what KOC/Lindsey is trying to replicate is the Spurs model. Why the Spurs model? Because Lindsey is trained in that model and being a small market team as well, it's a no brainer to apply it to the Jazz. They have a few key guys who are really good (Duncan, Ginobili and Parker), then they "fill in the gaps" each year by finding hidden talents and players that nobody wants, but fit their system perfectly. So let's say that's where KOC/Lindsey wants us to be.

Now let's look at our team. Who do we have that could potentially be the Jazz version of Duncan, Ginobili and Parker? Well we have Favors who is a keeper. We have Hayward who's also a keeper. We have Burks & Kanter who are potentially keepers.

But we're not there yet. But I don't think we're too far off neither. May be in 2-3 years we'll have a young Duncan in Favors. And in 2-3 years we'll have a young Ginobili in Hayward. But that's 2-3 years away.

So those are "where we want to be" and "where we are now".

The decision facing KOC/Lindsey is therefore - how to best get from "where we are now" to "where we want to be"? Do we:

1) Pay either Big Al or Millsap a big 4-5 year contract & go the playoffs each and every year? (playoffs every year - commercially viable)
2) Hand the keys to Favors & Hayward straight away and see what they can do by themselves? (may miss playoffs - commercially suicide)

Or do we:

3) Let Al & Sap walk. Pry a decent starting Big somewhere on the cheap to gap fill while Favors & Hayward are trying to improve & get to the next level? May be sign Splitter to a 3 year contract - start him with Favors? Kanter off the bench? Or Favors & Kanter start with Carl Landry off the bench? (should just make playoffs - commercially viable if done right)

My personal view would be Option 3. Sign someone like Splitter to a 3 year deal, may be $6-7m per. He can start with Favors, Kanter comes off the bench. There's no reason Kanter can't learn & thrive as our 3rd option. Marv. can fill in as our 4th big if we're really desperate. We also have Evans. That's plenty. For the rest, we'll have a mix of draft picks and 1-year contract guys like Foye, Tinsley, Watson, DeMarre. Next season we might not be contenders, but I could see us just making the playoffs (if Favors & Hayward's growths this year are any indications). And the season after next - we might make a deeper push in the playoffs.

Which route KOC/Lindsey take? Nobody knows until this Summer. It sure would be exciting to find out though.
 
Catchall said:
...So the Spurs beat the Clips in LA by 26 tonight. Eric Bledsoe played 23 minutes and finished 2-8 for 5 pts with 4 rebs and 3 assists. Butler had 11 pts.
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when bledsoe plays 26+minutes the 39-18 clippers are 7-8

when burks plays 25+ minutes the 31-24 jazz are 7-3

coincidence or outliers? u be the judge :cool:
 
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