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So, let's go worst case scenario for Utah. Let's say that Williams is a TO prone QB ala Wilson and we can't do much with him. How do we fare?

Wins: SUU, SJSU, BYU, OSU, Cal, ASU. Our defense is just too good for those teams.

Losses: USC, UCLA, Oregon, some other team.

Toss up games: Washington, Arizona, Colorado. Let's say we go 1-2 or 2-1.

That puts our record at 4-5 losses. I'm not sure I see five losses. I think Utah's worst case scenario is 4 losses this year.

Also, before the BYU guys chime in here, I do think BYU will be tough, but our defense is just too good. Your OL is starting FCS kids. Your WR's are all new. We get you the second game of the year and we have a scrimmage the week before and you have a real game.

Also, our secondary is just too good. We can go man defense on islands with 4 CB's (Domo, Porter, Thomas, Allen). That means if we can get pressure with 4 down linemen (and we will be able to), then we have 3 players that have no real responsibilities. And one of those players is Chase Hansen, who is Hill's physical equal. One of those players is Marcus Williams, who is the #1 FS in the country in the 2018 NFL draft. Then add in a smart linebacker in Tauteoli. We will be just fine vs Hill. We held him in check when our spy was Quade Chappuis. I think Hansen can do just as well if not better.

We are just better than BYU. Oh, and that doesn't include BYU missing Kaufusi, who was a one man wrecking ball vs Utah last year. Oh, and we won't be starting QB's at WR either (although it looks like Kendall Thompson might be one hell of a WR).
 
green said:
So, let's go worst case scenario for Utah. Let's say that Williams is a TO prone QB ala Wilson and we can't do much with him. How do we fare?

Wins: SUU, SJSU, BYU, OSU, Cal, ASU. Our defense is just too good for those teams.

Losses: USC, UCLA, Oregon, some other team.

Toss up games: Washington, Arizona, Colorado. Let's say we go 1-2 or 2-1.

That puts our record at 4-5 losses. I'm not sure I see five losses. I think Utah's worst case scenario is 4 losses this year.

Also, before the BYU guys chime in here, I do think BYU will be tough, but our defense is just too good. Your OL is starting FCS kids. Your WR's are all new. We get you the second game of the year and we have a scrimmage the week before and you have a real game.

Also, our secondary is just too good. We can go man defense on islands with 4 CB's (Domo, Porter, Thomas, Allen). That means if we can get pressure with 4 down linemen (and we will be able to), then we have 3 players that have no real responsibilities. And one of those players is Chase Hansen, who is Hill's physical equal. One of those players is Marcus Williams, who is the #1 FS in the country in the 2018 NFL draft. Then add in a smart linebacker in Tauteoli. We will be just fine vs Hill. We held him in check when our spy was Quade Chappuis. I think Hansen can do just as well if not better.

We are just better than BYU. Oh, and that doesn't include BYU missing Kaufusi, who was a one man wrecking ball vs Utah last year. Oh, and we won't be starting QB's at WR either (although it looks like Kendall Thompson might be one hell of a WR).
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Ludicrous to think at ASU is an automatic win.
 
Only Michigan has more seniors on the Senior Watch List. Utah has 9. In the PAC-12, USC is second, with 7 (one of them is Tui'kolovatu). And Utah's senior watch list doesn't include Lotulelei, Marcus Williams, Tim Patrick (which he may not belong on this list), Domo Hatfield, Mokofisi (who is better than Tui'kolovatu), Phillips.

Utah will be really, really good this year. Next year depends on how the QB's, TE's, RB's, WR's, LB'ers, and DB's pan out....So, enjoy this year, cause next year (2017) we may be a 6-8 win team.
 
Worst case scenario is your QB is really bad and you only lose 4 games? Lol, I think there is a lot more worse case scenarios. Worst case is you have a slew of injuries poor qb play and your team losses a few early games and gives up on the season.

ESPN projections have you at a disadvantage against USC, Cal, UCLA, Washington, Arizona State and Oregon. The projected W-L is 6.4 - 5.7 record.
They give you a 0% chance of winning out and a 1.5% chance of winning your conference.

My Ducks have a much more talented roster but QB is the most important position in college football by a lot. I know the QB is slightly less important to the Utes but your QB can make or break your season in the Pac-10. I am worried about this season for my Ducks for that reason. Last year we had a good team but having a first year QB in our system hurt and having no depth behind him really hurt with his broken hand and other injuries. This years QB is supposed to be better but that is always a big unknown until the season gets going. I think Utes worse case could be really rough if your completely unknown QB situation doesn't pan out. Utes might be a better team or have more talent but that doesnt mean you will win those games. Hard to guarantee a win against any team you play except SUU.
 
Broncster said:
Worst case scenario is your QB is really bad and you only lose 4 games? Lol, I think there is a lot more worse case scenarios. Worst case is you have a slew of injuries poor qb play and your team losses a few early games and gives up on the season.

ESPN projections have you at a disadvantage against USC, Cal, UCLA, Washington, Arizona State and Oregon. The projected W-L is 6.4 - 5.7 record.
They give you a 0% chance of winning out and a 1.5% chance of winning your conference.

My Ducks have a much more talented roster but QB is the most important position in college football by a lot. I know the QB is slightly less important to the Utes but your QB can make or break your season in the Pac-10. I am worried about this season for my Ducks for that reason. Last year we had a good team but having a first year QB in our system hurt and having no depth behind him really hurt with his broken hand and other injuries. This years QB is supposed to be better but that is always a big unknown until the season gets going. I think Utes worse case could be really rough if your completely unknown QB situation doesn't pan out. Utes might be a better team or have more talent but that doesnt mean you will win those games. Hard to guarantee a win against any team you play except SUU.
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The flip side of that argument is that Utah has been absolutely horrible in the passing game the last 2 seasons and still managed to win 19 games. I agree that it's very important that Troy Williams plays well if Utah wants to have a special season but I don't really see how he can be a downgrade from what they just had. I agree that no win is a guarantee but if Utah stumbles to 5 or 6 wins, the wheels would have to come off defensively.

With Oregon, my outside perception is that the deeper you get into the Helfrich era, there are more chinks in the armor starting to appear. A school that recruits as well as they do really doesn't have an excuse for going the FBS route to find a QB for 2 straight years. Why is he having so much trouble recruiting QB's? I also think teams like Michigan State, Utah and Stanford have shown that if you physically punch Oregon in the mouth, they tend to wilt. I'm excited for their trip to SLC this year. I'm sure last years game will be a big rallying cry for Oregon and they will be more than up for this one. It will be interesting to see if Whittingham can put another game plan together that gives Utah a chance.
 
leftyjace said:
Thanks, fish.

This doesn't surprise me - especially the demographic breakdown.
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I'm not surprised either. Pac12 has been great for the utes (I see tons of pac12 stickers on cars around town) + beating byu year after year + utah slowly becoming more democratic/less republican/less mormon + holding your own in the pac12 recently = bigger fan base.

If I were a youngster who was into sports and was picking a favorite team or even an older person just getting interested in sports then I would choose to root for utah too.

It makes sense.

I'm a dolphins fan because when I was starting to get into sports dan marino had just had a great rookie season and set a bunch of records and miami had just went to the superbowl.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm not surprised either. Pac12 has been great for the utes (I see tons of pac12 stickers on cars around town) + beating byu year after year + utah slowly becoming more democratic/less republican/less mormon + holding your own in the pac12 recently = bigger fan base.

If I were a youngster who was into sports and was picking a favorite team or even an older person just getting interested in sports then I would choose to root for utah too.

It makes sense.

I'm a dolphins fan because when I was starting to get into sports dan marino had just had a great rookie season and set a bunch of records and miami had just went to the superbowl.
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You realize you're among the 1%?

Non-Mormon, BYU fans?

:)
 
Here are some interesting stats from that poll that just came out:

In 2011, 56% of BYU's fans were very conservative, 45% were somewhat conservative.
In 2016, 37% were very conservative, 39% were somewhat conservative. I don't think that they lost all the conservative fans, because Utah's fans are still just as liberal. I think the people that thought they were conservative found out just how crazy the tea party, Trump supporting "conservatives" are and they adjusted their view of themselves.

In 2011, 37% of the women in Utah rooted for BYU. In 2016, 24% of Utah women root for BYU. BYU/the LDS Church is alienating their women.

In 2011, 32% of the women in Utah rooted for Utah. In 2016, 34% of the women root for Utah.

The "I'm not sure who I am a fan of" group went from 10% in 2011 to 18% in 2016. Those are the former BYU fans, probably people that have been disenfranchised by the Church who used to root for BYU but now don't feel like they can support a team that is backed by the Church. The good news is, in five years, they will all be Utah fans...or USC fans. lol.

40% of republicans root for BYU. This was shocking. I thought it would be a lot higher. That has to scare the people at BYU. No wonder you can't sell out your stadium. If you can't get your people to root for you, then who can you get? Also, this blows the whole, "all mormons are BYU fans" theory out of the water. And as far as out of state Mormons? I'd bet that less than 40% follow BYU, which hurts their "national fanbase" theory.

Also, in 2011, 50% of republicans voted for BYU. They are losing their fanbase and losing it fast. I think Bronco leaving BYU will be killer for them. He was an outstanding coach. Sitake will be a worse coach, if for no other reason that he has never done this before.

54% of Liberals root for Utah. Shocker, right?

So, where did BYU fans go? In 2011, 34% of people aged 46-65 rooted for BYU. 44% of people over 65 rooted for BYU. In 2016? 17% of people aged 46-65 and 36% of those over 65 root for BYU. So, is their fanbase just dying off? lul.

The crazy thing is, since 2011, Utah has gone 5-7, 5-7, 9-4, 10-3. Not bad, but not amazing. BYU has had winning records every year. Yet, BYU has lost a TON of fans.

Fish, it's a dying brand. Jump off now, while you still can.
 
It will be interesting to see where those numbers are in 20 years. BYU will either have a resurgence, or continue to decline, I don't see it standing pat.

If they continue to decline, wow. The landscape of sports in this state would be unrecognizable 2 decades from now.
 
leftyjace said:
So... this is cool! :) ESPN poll about the best uniforms in the PAC-12.

https://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/102529/vote-who-has-the-best-uniforms-in-the-pac-12

Oregon leading the voting, no surprise... but kinda neat that the U is 2nd!
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Saw that, cool to see

Watched the pac-12 preview on espnu, they considered us more a spoiler than a conference champ contender. They liked our line play and called us very physical but questioned our qb play. Which I guess what it takes for us to get over that hump and being seen more than a spoiler is quarterback play. We were in the drivers seat to take the south until it seems the offense did a faceplant under Travis Wilson. Everything ive heard about Troy Williams makes me excited but he needs to go out and prove it. Think last year proved a great defense can only take you so far. So yeah a lot is riding on Troy Williams obviously.
 
green said:
Here are some interesting stats from that poll that just came out:

In 2011, 56% of BYU's fans were very conservative, 45% were somewhat conservative.
In 2016, 37% were very conservative, 39% were somewhat conservative. I don't think that they lost all the conservative fans, because Utah's fans are still just as liberal. I think the people that thought they were conservative found out just how crazy the tea party, Trump supporting "conservatives" are and they adjusted their view of themselves.

In 2011, 37% of the women in Utah rooted for BYU. In 2016, 24% of Utah women root for BYU. BYU/the LDS Church is alienating their women.

In 2011, 32% of the women in Utah rooted for Utah. In 2016, 34% of the women root for Utah.

The "I'm not sure who I am a fan of" group went from 10% in 2011 to 18% in 2016. Those are the former BYU fans, probably people that have been disenfranchised by the Church who used to root for BYU but now don't feel like they can support a team that is backed by the Church. The good news is, in five years, they will all be Utah fans...or USC fans. lol.

40% of republicans root for BYU. This was shocking. I thought it would be a lot higher. That has to scare the people at BYU. No wonder you can't sell out your stadium. If you can't get your people to root for you, then who can you get? Also, this blows the whole, "all mormons are BYU fans" theory out of the water. And as far as out of state Mormons? I'd bet that less than 40% follow BYU, which hurts their "national fanbase" theory.

Also, in 2011, 50% of republicans voted for BYU. They are losing their fanbase and losing it fast. I think Bronco leaving BYU will be killer for them. He was an outstanding coach. Sitake will be a worse coach, if for no other reason that he has never done this before.

54% of Liberals root for Utah. Shocker, right?

So, where did BYU fans go? In 2011, 34% of people aged 46-65 rooted for BYU. 44% of people over 65 rooted for BYU. In 2016? 17% of people aged 46-65 and 36% of those over 65 root for BYU. So, is their fanbase just dying off? lul.

The crazy thing is, since 2011, Utah has gone 5-7, 5-7, 9-4, 10-3. Not bad, but not amazing. BYU has had winning records every year. Yet, BYU has lost a TON of fans.

Fish, it's a dying brand. Jump off now, while you still can.
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*I wasn't going to comment on this in here because it includes a certain team but then it also deals with Utah more so I deemed this joke (loosely based on possible truth) acceptable*

That is an excellent breakdown but I could've saved you a lot of pixel juice and internet space from all those letters, it's simple all those missing % of fans are because they're old and dying off, if you break it down by age demographic I think Utah was leading in all of them until it about the 65yr old age demographic. Simple math the 80's were a long time ago and people in their prime in those days are getting older and slowly dying off.
 
So, one week from today it begins.

Any score predictions?

I'm guessing whitt wants his untested offensive skill players to feel a little game day pressure and so he doesn't open up much of the gameplan offensively or defensively and the first half score is closer than expected. 24-10 at halftime.

Then the utes start to pull away in the second half.

Final score, 51-13.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
*I wasn't going to comment on this in here because it includes a certain team but then it also deals with Utah more so I deemed this joke (loosely based on possible truth) acceptable*

That is an excellent breakdown but I could've saved you a lot of pixel juice and internet space from all those letters, it's simple all those missing % of fans are because they're old and dying off, if you break it down by age demographic I think Utah was leading in all of them until it about the 65yr old age demographic. Simple math the 80's were a long time ago and people in their prime in those days are getting older and slowly dying off.
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I did put that in my novel:

So, where did BYU fans go? In 2011, 34% of people aged 46-65 rooted for BYU. 44% of people over 65 rooted for BYU. In 2016? 17% of people aged 46-65 and 36% of those over 65 root for BYU. So, is their fanbase just dying off? lul.
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fishonjazz said:
So, one week from today it begins.

Any score predictions?

I'm guessing whitt wants his untested offensive skill players to feel a little game day pressure and so he doesn't open up much of the gameplan offensively or defensively and the first half score is closer than expected. 24-10 at halftime.

Then the utes start to pull away in the second half.

Final score, 51-13.
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Southern Utah is starting two freshmen OL. They are screwed. It will not be close at all. Utah is up 40+-0 at halftime. Then end up winning 60-70+ to 0-10.
 
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