Omnibus Gordon Hayward Thread (To clean up the Board some)

[The Blue Elephant]

You forgot a few:
9) he is a slow starter. Every season we have to wait for him to get going 2 months into the season.
10) he is not clutch. the few times we have made it to the playoffs or are in contention for the playoffs GH falls apart.

Wow I just remembered that... Gordon Hayward was horrible in the playoffs. I think the Jazz knew how the market was going to be. If they thought he was a max player they would have maxed him out by now. Jazz will let him walk.

 

[friendsinmyhead]

if we match the entire league (except Charlotte) will LOL us FOOOOOOOOUR EVAH!

 

[friendsinmyhead]

I hope you're right.

 

[Chris]

MODS: Please consolidate Hayward threads; This is awful

There are WAY too many "Hayward is signing a max deal" / "Should the Jazz match?" threads. Can the mods please find a way to consolidate these threads down to 1, 2, or 3 threads and then delete this post? Thank you.

 

[The Midnight]

Just stick to the stickied threads and you'll be fine.

 

[candrew]

No
The gist of it (i think) was that its no big deal to max hayward..... since its no big deal, we might as well max burks, kanter, evans, and max marvin while we are at it

Exactly, deals like this don't occur within a vacuum - you overpay Hayward and you just increased Burks and Kanter's asking price. Do we just overpay them too because it's economically viable?

 

[Stoked]

1) He has been in the league 4 years and his shooting percentage has gotten worse each and every year.
2) Usually after big contracts like this, the player comes in and performs poorly
3) Thinks he is a point guard at times and hogs possession's that should be in Trey Burkes or Dante Exum's hands.
4) We have other players capable of making the 3 pt shots, he has been inconsistent and only shot 30% from three last year
5) Makes it harder to resign Burks and Kanter if they have good years
6) Is in good position for rebounds because he trails the offensive player he is guarding on the perimeter
7) His replacement should make up for some of the rebounds.
8) It's too much money for a guy that just isn't worth it
9) Once you sign him you can't trade him because it includes a no trade clause.
10) He is not clutch, when we need him most he disappears.
11) He is a slow starter, every season he starts out slow.

One Word: OVERATED
And if the Jazz match: OVERPAID

1) Given
2) Sometimes, not always
3) They used him as a point forward alot and the coaches ran the offense thru him. Take this one up with Corbin
4) We have shooters? We drafted Hood and jsut traded for Novak. Burke shot 33% from 3 and Burks shot 35%. Exum is not known for his outside shot.
5) Given
6) Sometimes yeah. He also gets rebounds because he is always moving and often chases down fast breaks. At one point (and possibly ended the year that way) he had traveled the most distance by any player in the NBA that year.
7) Lol, maybe...depend son who we are able to get if they let Hayward go.
8) Agreed. 15.75 is to much
9) Link?
10) Not clutch but claiming he disappears is overblown
11) Agreed

Over rated is an over reaction. Not worth 15.75 but a good player that will shine next to a star.

 

[The Pearl]

What I find fascinating is this: Hayward struggled badly while playing under the comparitively light pressure of trying to earn a bigger contract. Now he's supposed to flourish under the pressure of justifying a MAX deal? This has disaster written all over it.

This is really the only concern. The max contract vs. real fair value is just an exercise in silliness.

 

[Revolution 9]

This year Gordon Hayward will make more than Steph Curry, Dirk, Tony Parker, DeMarcus Cousins, Harden, John Wall, Rondo, Joakim, & Duncan

LOL THIS HORNETS TRAIN WRECK. LET HIM GO THE GUY IS A TRASH CAN.

he got over inflated stats on a terrrrrrible team.

he is a brick machine!

he might be our train wreck....and we'll be the laughing stocks

 

[Shocker00]

9) Link?

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=30636830&nid=304

Trade Kicker doesn't matter, because you would never be able to trade him anyway with that contract.
Its not really that hard to find guys that can shoot over 30% for three, its all about what have you done for me lately. I think even Trey in his first year shot over 30%

 

[Stoked]

9) Link?

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=30636830&nid=304

Trade Kicker doesn't matter, because you would never be able to trade him anyway with that contract.

Ouch, I was bordeline before about matching but that right there makes me say no. I am not a fan of trade kickers.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Jordan still sticking it to the Jazz.